[esperent]

> As an American, most of this post reads like doublespeak satire

Yeah, you guys have a lot of brainwashing to get over. I can imagine that you're deeply conditioned to read any outside views on politics as satire.

One kind of brainwashing is the need to reframe everything political into sports metaphors. The EU is not a sports team. It's a political entity. Whatever you might have been taught, these are very different things, with different needs. You can't have meaningful conversations about a political entity via sports metaphors.

Well, maybe in US politics you can. There you have two teams determined to beat the other at all costs. EU politics isn't like that. We are trying to work together, not kill each other.

[mandmandam]

> There you have two teams determined to beat the other at all costs

On the surface. It's all kayfabe though; heels and babyfaces. Just like with wrestling, the media know the score, and all the angles. After the match, they all laugh and joke together on the depraved billionaire owner's megayacht.

[esperent]

I don't think this is accurate, looking at it from outside. I mean, yeah, they both want to end up sitting on the billionaires yacht.

But one side wants to do that while looking out over a fascist dictatorship.

The other side has some weird idea that the billionaires will use their wealth to create a good life for everyone else too. Even though the term went out of fashion, it's still trickle down economics.

These two sides are not the same. They're both bad, but one is much worse. The last time fascism took hold it took nuclear bombs in Japan and firebombing Dresden to end it.

[mandmandam]

If you think Democrats were "determined" to beat Trump "at all costs" this last election, please, explain why they couldn't promise to stop arming Israel's genocide.

Democrat elites knew full well, as did the world, that 77% of Democrat voters wanted an arms embargo. Everyone who cared to look knew that in close battleground states over 3 in 10 Biden 2020 voters were saying that their vote could be affected by this, such was their feeling on this issue - understandable, given the daily atrocities livestreamed around the world.

Kamala's campaign had an easy win, a landslide victory for the taking. All they had to do was promise an arms embargo. Instead, she promised to keep sending bombs "no matter what"; even before her campaign page had a single policy on it. Does that look like they were fighting to beat the Republicans "at all costs"?

... How did Democrats hold Trump accountable for his insurrection attempt? Did that look like 'determination to win' to you? [0]

Did Blinken, Miller, Patel, Karine etc look or sound any less cartoonishly evil than the Trump goons? The things they said up there were mind-bogglingly cruel; staggeringly disrespectful of our intelligence.

The Biden admin censored millions of posts, pushed knowingly fake stories, physically removed journalists from the press room for asking legitimate questions, etc. Not super Democratic.

Sure; Republicans are much worse on some issues. But this corporate plutocracy didn't come out of nowhere. Despite the claims from the current Dem team, they do in fact take a lot of money from "bad" billionaires.

Even now, Democrats are crowing that Trump isn't deporting as many immigrants as they did. Because that's what's important right now??

Biden's admin pulled out all the stops to shut down student protesters - compare that to their response to Musk raiding the Treasury!

The two sides are not quite the same (neither are heels and heroes, ya know), but they are funded and owned by the same people. The difference is very clear when you see the unanimous support across the political and media class for things which the American people don't actually want - forever wars, environmental exploitation, tax cuts for the wealthy, full on genocide etc.

0 - https://sarahkendzior.substack.com/p/servants-of-the-mafia-s...

[what]

>fascist dictatorship

You probably shouldn’t be calling other people brainwashed.

[sofixa]

What do you call it when one of the billionaires who proudly and publicly sponsored the winning candidate for president (who, fun fact, has nominated enough supreme court judges that they ruled he has total immunity on official acts, and got away with an insurrection, rape, financial fraud, so obviously not a qualified candidate) does a Nazi salute on live TV in front of the whole country?

If this were a book or a movie, everyone would be dismissing it as far too obvious and not how real world works.

[spiderfarmer]

You’re right, it has become a fascist oligarchy in just two weeks. Faster than it took for you to realize it. But there’s still time to make Trump king.

[esperent]

I hope you're right. I like America, I want you guys to overcome this.

Just remember that what most people think of when you say "fascism" is "literally Nazis".

I don't think many people believe that's where the US is heading. There are far more possible flavors of fascism.

The direction of the US is more like what Russia has, an oligarchy, with elements of fascism like concentration camps.

[VagabundoP]

Yep, fascism will mold itself to the current culture and climate, and in the US right now that seems it will be meme ironic but real fascism.

[esperent]

Damn, metamodern fascism :facepalm_emoji:

[majormajor]

> EU politics isn't like that. We are trying to work together, not kill each other.

Oh? Been quite a while longer since there was war inside the US than war inside Europe. While it's been no time at all since vicious party battles in major European countries. Or countries nope'ing out entirely. But apparently fascists are only a thing in the US now?

> creating a model that will match whatever current model is considered frontier level is not that hard for an entity like the EU

What industry has the EU caught up in or maintained pace in like that by "leading in legislation"?

I'd probably much rather retire in the EU than in the US but... there are certainly cons, not just pros, to the lack of urgency and bureaucratic "lets throw words at the problem" approach to economic development.

[esperent]

> Been quite a while longer since there was war inside the US than war inside inEurope

Maybe you need to look up why the EU exists in the first place. Way back when it was called the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC). There haven't been any wars between member countries since it's foundation, so I think it's working pretty well, actually.

[tokioyoyo]

I don't have much skin in this pissing contest, but I've lived in Europe, North America and East Asia.

> What industry has the EU caught up in or maintained pace

What industries is the US leading which reflects itself in improvement of quality of life of its citizens? Cause some things really don't matter in grand scheme of things.

[spiderfarmer]

If they could make money from empathy, the US would try to become the world leader real quick.

[CrimsonRain]

EU has better quality of life on borrowed time. Yeah, some things don't matter in grand scheme of things. When your grand is larger, eu is in a bad place.

[tokioyoyo]

I’ve been hearing that about EU, China and Japan for the past 20 years in different degrees. Two generations were born and a lot of people have passed away in that period.

Even if EU’s QoL is on borrowed time, at least it has it for some time.

[CrimsonRain]

20 years is awfully small time.

It's getting bad now. It'll be terrible after 20 more years if course is not corrected.