[ygjb]

We are hoping the electorate in the US doesn't want to find out. US leadership has threatened Canada and other countries with using economic or military force for annexation. Canadians are hoping that saner heads will prevail, but it's not looking very good. We are very much aware that our military has been underserved in every way by Canadians, and that was part of the reason I chose not to continue my military career.

In the meantime, we are carefully and cautiously reminding the United States that we fought many of the same wars and learned the same lessons as the US military about how insurgencies are fought, and while many of our friends, family, and neighbours are American, we are not, and do not want to, and will not be American. Do with that what you will.

[toomuchtodo]

US electorate must find out. You can only negotiate with rational people. Retaliatory tariffs are mandatory, at a minimum.

[ty6853]

Retaliatory tariff why? US tariff are self inflicted harm. If you see your neighbor slashing their wrists, slashing your own doesn't improve the situation. Canadian taxpayers will be the ones eating that cost.

[toomuchtodo]

> Their strategy is to make sure Americans feel the pain too. But they are likely to focus on what experts call precision strikes against U.S. exports from Republican strongholds and industry groups with political leverage in Washington.

> Late Saturday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country would impose 25% tariffs on more than $105 billion of U.S. goods. “We didn’t ask for this, but we will not back down,” he said, warning that American jobs in their auto and manufacturing industries were at risk.

> A first wave, set to take effect Tuesday, will hit $20 billion of imports from the U.S., including alcohol, coffee, clothing and shoes, furniture and household appliances. On Sunday, Canada released a list of tariff targets, including products from Republican-leaning states, such as whiskeys from Kentucky, oranges from Florida and appliances from South Carolina. Government officials on Sunday also said they were targeting motorcycles in Pennsylvania, which has a Harley-Davidson plant in York, Pa.

> A second wave on an additional $85 billion of goods would include tariffs on cars and trucks, agricultural products, steel and aluminum and aerospace products. The second phase will begin in three weeks, to give businesses enough time to stockpile and find alternatives.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/canada-mexico-want-america... | https://archive.today/WRDZt

[ty6853]

Those are all taxes on Canadian consumers.

The only reason America will feel significant pain from our own tariffs on Canada is because without it, the tariffs on Mexico are voided as Canada has free trade agreement with mex that would make black market proxying through Canada trivial. I suspect that's what this is really about, Canada has to be in lockstep or themselves tariffed for the Mexico tariffs to be persuasive upon Mexico. Otherwise cartels just route white market goods to Canada under shell companies and then to us at no tariff.

The Canadians should find some other way to punish us than cutting off their nose to spite their face imo. A tariff is totally unpersuasive especially in light of the comparative trade dynamics.

[toomuchtodo]

I think it’s prudent to see what damage the actions of Canada, Mexico, and China can do with regards to economic retaliation and if they need to iterate accordingly.

[ty6853]

The 'damage' they can do is tax their own people. It will harm them as much or more than the US. Totally nonsensical Jonestown massacre economics.

[dinkumthinkum]

I think Canadians are more likely to find themselves in a situation in which all of their land is owned by Chinese and other foreign interests than an occupation by the U.S. that requires "insurgents", and it seems like they are happy to do it.

[ModernMech]

I fear that in hoping cooler heads will prevail, you've only set yourself up for failure. Trump and Musk will take advantage of your willingness to see them as better than what they are. That's how they win. Just remember they are doing Nazis salutes and setting up a concentration camp in Cuba. There are no more cooler heads.

[dinkumthinkum]

Well, that's nonsense. No one is doing "Nazi salutes" nor setting up concentration camps. I mean if the ADL say it was not such a salute, methinks thou doth protest too much. As far as concentration camps, this is just leftist hyperbole. Visit Germany and Poland go see what real such things were like, this is more offensive to those victims of atrocities then the made up things you are referencing.

[ModernMech]

Musk literally did a Nazi salute behind the presidential seal. And Trump announced concentration camps at Guantanamo Bay, so you're wrong there as well. I'm not getting my news from leftists, I'm getting it from the two co-presidents. You just have to watch what they do and say in public to come to these conclusions.

[dinkumthinkum]

Again, the ADL literally said it was not such a salute. Also, those are not concentration camps of the kind of Nazi Germany. This is highly offensive to those that suffered in the holocaust to conflate these things.

[ModernMech]

"Also, those are not concentration camps of the kind of Nazi Germany. This is highly offensive to those that suffered in the holocaust to conflate these things."

Yeah, they are like 1933 Nazi camps, not 1945 Nazi camps...

The road to Nazi Germany was paved by people, like you, who looked at the obvious and dismissed it as hyperbole until the truth became unbearable. You're literally that guy in the "are we the baddies?" meme.

They are doing Nazi salutes and setting up out-of-country concentration camps to which they will send individuals they deem "illegal" who have been labeled by the head of state to be "poisoning the blood" of our nation.

This sentence is true in America today, and in 1933 Nazi Germany.

As for anyone who is offended, send them my way and they can give me an earful, and we can talk it out. But when I see a Nazi salute, I'm calling it out; I don't care who it offends.