[wholinator2]

I think it's really up to the highly nebulous definition. Even in your comment is implied that reasoning and consciousness are two names of the same thing but i'd argue one is here and one will never be provable ever. Reason is working through logical steps, much like a program. It's a set of conditions that get checked and a logical structure that uses that information to reach a conclusion. That's what sets it apart from gut feelings or emotional thinking, it's a traceable structure with "reasons". I can watch the LLM speak base facts out loud, then begin to synthesize them giving _reasons_ for the choices it's making, culminating in a final conclusion. It's already doing that. That is what i call reason. It doesn't mean it's human, it doesn't mean it's "aware of itself", it just means it's thinking a train of thought with concrete steps between each car. Consciousness is completely undefinable and useless as a metric and will never be probably achieved.

[bsenftner]

I agree that reasoning and consciousness are different, however what I do not see being discussed by the AI research community is the necessity to define and then develop "artificial comprehension".

At this point in time, the act of comprehension is a scientific mystery.

I'd say 'consciousness' is the ongoing ever present comprehension of the moment, a feedback self conversation assessing the current situation a being finds itself. This act requires reasoning, as comprehension is the "sandbox" in which reasoning occurs.

But what is comprehension? It's the instantaneous reverse engineering of observations for verification of reality: is what I observe normal, possible or a threat? If one cannot "understand" an observation then the potential the observation is a threat grows. That 'understanding" is reverse engineering the observation to identify it's range of possible behavior and therefore one's safety in relation to that observation.

Comprehension is extremely complex: arbitrary input goes in and a world model with one's safety and next actions comes out.

[rambambram]

Thanks for this. Do you have a blog somewhere, preferably with an RSS feed?

[bsenftner]

I have a never updated blog, but I'm not an active research scientist. I'm just a plain ordinary over educated guy, whose been writing software using AI, across all the things that have been called "AI" for about 45 years. One could say I'm "over read", at one point I'd read every single Nobel Literature winner, I have finished dozens of authors, and my personal taste is mind fuck philosophy in narrative fiction - think Clockwork Orange, Philip K Dick, and beatnik literature. I post a lot of my opinions at Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Blake-Senftner

[rambambram]

I don't care about qualifications or job titles, if I read a solid piece of text that makes me think differently, I want to know more. ;) I bookmarked your Quora page and blog in my RSS reader, so if you ever start blogging... And thanks for pointing to Philip K Dick, I might actually start reading science fiction.