[dutchbookmaker]

I don't really understand what the end game is with Canada here.

For Mexico, it seems more like a prod for social policy on immigration and fentanyl.

I listened to Trudeau yesterday and he isn't even able to get a hold of Trump right now, something that seems just insane.

I am just not sure that is true though that this is a disaster for the US. How much can China afford to fight back here with the state of their economy? Canada retaliating is asymmetrically bad for Canada.

Dollar strength and an emerging market currency breaking is what worries me. Inside the US, I would expect much of the potential inflation will just be exported through dollar strength. I imagine that is the method to the madness.

[tokioyoyo]

US is losing big time to Chinese manufacturing and realpolitiks on the ground. They realize they can’t reverse it without taking very huge gambles, like tariffing everyone with the hopes of on-shoring.

I’m expecting for governments to cozy up with China again. Will be interesting, but unpredictable couple of years. I’m not sure what’s the best way to diversify one’s savings so you wouldn’t crash it out either.

[laverya]

What I've been seeing is people saying that Canada is the source for most fentanyl coming into the US, not Mexico.

(This is also the US's stated reason for tariffs on Canada)

[halostatue]

I don't know where you've seen that, because not even the professional liars at the DEA claim that.

[laverya]

The official statement from the White House calls out increased fentanyl production in Canada as the reason - but doesn't say that it's the majority of imports, you're right. The twitter summary says "There is growing production of fentanyl in Canada, and enough fentanyl was seized at the northern border last fiscal year to kill 9.8 million Americans.", though, and that seems like a lot.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-pr...

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1885812342526460184

[halostatue]

This is an excuse, as an "emergency" is (effectively) the only way that such tariffs can be applied without input from Congress at all.

It's also likely a lie, given the number of lies told by Trump and his supporters. The two groups which should not be believed on this are the DEA (whose entire raison d’être is predicated on making things far scarier than they are so they can increase their power — I believe they are behind the proven lie that "touching fentanyl can kill you", which it can't) and the Trump administration (because the volume of lies spewed daily would overwhelm the New York City sewer system).

Do you have any reputable sources?

[laverya]

The tariffs on Canada have now been paused after a promise to enhance border security (which was reportedly already in the works)

So who knows at this point

[wampwamp]

A "super lab" that used "cartel" processes was discovered in Canada a few months ago with almost 100 million[0] lethal doses of Fentanyl. It was only 11 miles from the border. The group was linked to a Khalistani transnational crime network; the same group of people (Punjabis) have also taken over our trucking industry[1]. Our border is the longest undefended border in the world and Canada is now taking in more than 1.5 million people per year[2], not including the 5 million on 'temporary permits'[3], mostly from India and China[4] and mostly un-vetted[5]. They get H2B visas with their Canadian passports and can travel across the border with ease. 1 billion doses worth of precursor chemicals were found in the port of Vancouver over a period of just 3 months last year[6], all coming from China. Halting immigration and shutting off the precursor chemical supply from China via the port Vancouver is all my clown show of government had to do to avoid this trade war. Stopping the flow of these brutal new drugs will do more to save both our economies than any amount of 'USA owned' tar sand ever could.

[0] https://bc-cb.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=2087... [1] https://thecanadianbazaar.com/how-punjabis-came-to-dominate-... [2] https://www.meansandways.ca/news-articles/chart-of-the-day-c... [3] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/migrate/millions-of... [4] https://youtu.be/bg3psxZ_pRg?si=GLSJdquqF4WQgcNt&t=441 [5] https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/terror-suspect-enter... [6] https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article/enough-precursor-ch...

[a_cardboard_box]

The end goal is annexation. Canada has natural resources and Trump wants them. He's creating a crisis he can use as justification for invasion.

[dinkumthinkum]

That is just insanely hyperbolic. I think this why the left lost. There is a 0% chance that Trump will invade Canada. I really think the left needs to just back away from fighting for their positions for a little while and get some perspective or they will continue losing.

[cheema33]

While Trump may not invade Canada, he has already said that he wants to annex it and make it the 51st state. He "Truth'ed" it yesterday. His words, not mine.

[carbine]

I'm by no means leftist but Trump has literally been saying over and over again that he wants to use "economic force" to make Canada the 51st state.

maybe he's joking, maybe it's a negotiation strategy. but he's also unpredictable, and Canadians need to take the threats seriously.