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by exabrial 497 days ago
This is hilariously common, but because SpaceX is involved, the media spotlight is centered on it.

(No other opinions implied or denied btw, just my observation)

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> This is hilariously common

Falling debris from space is common, it seems (NASA says "1 piece per day" on average), but they tend to burn up upon re-entry. Falling debris causing any sort of damage seems to be relatively uncommon, unless I've gotten a lot worse at searching for information.

What numbers are you looking at that makes it seem like it's "hilariously common"?

Notably, zero injuries and only one (unconfirmed) report of minor damage to a car.

Definitely a case to be made for littering though.

I assume the GP is talking about the fact that almost every rocket, except SpaceX' Falcon 9 and the Space Shuttle, is designed to be dumped in the ocean. Specifically the first stage of a rocket usually falls down into the ocean at a relatively high speed (probably in pieces), but it's speed is usually not high enough to burn up. The second stage of a rocket goes all the way to orbit with the payload, achieving speeds like 7 km per second, and then reenters the atmosphere and burns, but some pieces can still come down intact, so it's preferably also over the ocean. The second stage may also stay in space indefinitely, depending on the target orbit of the payload. Anyway, dumping space stuff in the oceans is the default since forever.

SpaceX' Falcon 9 is an exception, because its first stage is designed to land on the barge in the ocean or fly back to the coast and land on the landing pad, allowing it to be reused. Falcon 9's second stage still burns up/breaks down in the atmosphere after launch, in a controlled way (over the ocean). The goal of Starship is to have the first ever wholly reusable rocket, of which no part will be dumped in the oceans.

In the case of the last flight of Starship, it obviously wasn't meant to explode inflight, so the place where the debris has fallen was much closer to any land than the usual "intentional" rocket debris. If the flight was successful, Starship's second stage would simulate landing in the Indian Ocean and then sink (and probably also explode while sinking and the debris could show up on the coast of Australia). They aren't allowed to land this thing on land yet, and with this failure they certainly won't be allowed to do that soon.

>What numbers are you looking at that makes it seem like it's "hilariously common"?

Devo wrote a funny song about it in the seventies, so it is kind of funny and it wasn't invented last week.

That was Skylab hysteria, right?
Before even!
I'm gonna disagree and say that rocket debris from exploded launches is not "hilariously common" without some citation.

The case could be made that it's similar to other debris that washes up on most beaches every day though.

They got Capone on tax evasion. I don’t really care what they get Elon on as long as it’s true.
Capone wasn't the acting President.
elect a clown, expect the whole circus
Neither is Elon. Sure, he's currently his best buddy, but there's no telling how long that will last. There are many intrigues at the court of King Donald...
Elon might as well be President in everything but name.
Elon has done and will do more for humanity than almost anyone.

You’re a victim of the disinformation establishment. Try to think critically, rather than emotionally - and base that critical thinking on reality instead of human narratives. One issue is that facts are only as good as their “authoritative” source.

One good example is the purported fascist salute. It’s been funny seeing the clips of so many on the Left (BHO, HRC, Harris, Trudeau and many more) making the exact same gesture with nary a peep from anyone.

As the article mentions, because Starship is being launched from Texas, it overflies inhabited areas. If it were launched from Cape Canaveral, it wouldn't - and debris falling into the ocean gathers much less attention than debris falling in someone's back yard...