[rhelz]

I agree that the loss of control we are threatened with is qualitatively different and far more absolute than the disenfranchisement we feel today, for sure.

Still, I wonder if any humans have been in control, really, since the agricultural revolution. Billionares building bug-out shelters? They seem even more scared than the rest of us.

Surely if we were really in control we could have come up with a better system than this.

[duvenaud]

Yep, a major missing piece in this entire problem / discussion is how to characterize how much "power" "humans" have had. My best idea so far is to characterize the sorts of outcomes that can be feasibly steered towards under what conditions.