[pgkr]

Correct. The bias is baked into the weights of both V3 and R1, even in the largest 671B parameter model. We're currently conducting analysis on the 671B model running locally to cut through the speculation, and we're seeing interesting biases, including differences between V3 and R1.

Meanwhile, we've released the first part of our research including the dataset: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42879698

[nicce]

Is it really in the model? I haven’t found any censoring yet in the open models.

[pgkr]

Yes, without a doubt. We spent the last week conducting research on the V3 and R1 open source models: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42918935

Censoring and straight up propaganda is built into V3 and R1, even the open source version's weights.

[lyu07282]

It isn't if you observe the official app it's API will sometimes even begin to answer before a separate system censors the output.

[homebrewer]

Really? Local DeepSeek refuses to talk about certain topics (like Tiananmen) unless you prod it again and again, just like American models do about their sensitive stuff (which DeepSeek is totally okay with — I spent last night confirming just that). They're all badly censored which is obvious to anyone outside both countries.

[mmazing]

Weird. Followup - I am getting censorship on the model from ollama's public model repository, but NOT from the models I got from huggingface running on a locally compiled llama.cpp.

[mmazing]

Not my experience - https://imgur.com/xanNjun just ran this moments ago.

[mmazing]

I have not found any censorship running it on my local computer.

https://imgur.com/xanNjun

[pgkr]

We conducted further research on the full-sized 671B model, which you can read here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42918935

If you ran it on your computer, then it wasn't R1. It's a very common misconception. What you ran was actually either a Qwen or LLaMA model fine-tuned to behave more like R1. We have a more detailed explanation in our analysis.