[refulgentis]

It is apples to apples.

Microsoft didn't want to compete with Sun so much as have an application development language with a garbage collector that wasn't owned by Sun.

You don't make much money off programming languages inherently.

This also elides an obvious riposte (so you mean they should have just used Mono? how did all that work out?) and a metric ton of differences between what C# targets and what Dart targets.

[cogman10]

MS wanted to fracture the Java ecosystem. The Microsoft Java VM was an attempt to lockin developers to MS Java and not sun Java. They created J# and C# because of the sun lawsuit they lost.

They still wanted a Java like ecosystem but they would be sure it only ran on Windows servers.

MS spent years being hostile to open source software. It's only in about the past decade that they've turned a corner.

Here's a famous email from Bill Gates about Java and how to stop it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220630223035/https://www.teche...

[riffraff]

Unrelated to the discussion, but wow, the Nathan Myhrvold email seems prescient on so many levels.