[AdeptusAquinas]

Agree with most of this (not the weird anti-immigrant bit but the rest), however China does have some foreign requirements that are a bit of a pain in the ass, like its insistence that Taiwan isn't a country. They also don't like it and will retaliate when you point out the shady shit it does (e.g. the Uighurs), but then thats no different from the states especially under its current toddler administration.

[dismalaf]

> its insistence that Taiwan isn't a country

Lol Taiwan is officially the "Republic of China", as per their own claims.

[intalentive]

The immigration bit helps explain why Hungary, for instance, is trying to escape Western orbit and align with the East.

[intended]

Is Hungary planning to exit the EU?

[intalentive]

I can't say what Orban is planning specifically, but his recent actions have not been well received by the EU Council, to say the least. Moreover Hungary has been China's main outpost in Europe since 2015 when it joined Belt and Road.

Considering fresh signs of rupture in transatlantic relations, maybe Orban will turn out to have had keen foresight. There seems to be some sort of realignment afoot under the Trump administration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_visits_by_Viktor_Orb%C3%A...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Hungary_relation...

[portaouflop]

Orban is a racist, kleptocratic madman that runs a mafia state - trying to apply reason to his actions beyond enriching himself and his lackeys is a fools game

[skinnymuch]

Every country would behave like China in the same situation with Taiwan. Imagine if the Confederates moved over to Puerto Rico or Hawaii or Alaska. America damn sure would say that’s America still. They’re literally the same people from the same land. Same ethnicity. Same history. Only being apart for under a century.

[worik]

> They’re literally the same people from the same land. Same ethnicity. Same history. Only being apart for under a century

I see what you mean. But there is an alternative point of view.

The indigenous people of Taiwan are very different. DNA wise they are the prototypical polynesians

[skinnymuch]

From an alternative pov from any one not from the west/colonizer countries:

We arent talking about those indigenous people regarding this topic. We are talking about the Chinese people there. This would be clear and obvious if Confederates were in any of the examples I gave. All 3 examples have indigenous people now who aren’t cared about now.

Americans were still actively cleansing Native Americans under 200 years ago. The only country that would do anything serious about an attempt at Chinese reunification would be America [and of course NATO and Europe but if America wasn’t doing anything, Europe wouldn’t either].

If it wasn’t for America, reunification would have already happened.

So the pov of Americans or the west caring about indigenous people is faulty from the pov of most of the rest of the world. The west should care about indigenous people in their own direct spheres of influence first.