[digbybk]

“Enjoys misery” is an oxymoron I think. He enjoys joy, which he gets from doing difficult things. I’m just taking your dad’s side on this because I suspect I share some of his tendencies :)

[chefandy]

Ok, rather than enjoying self-imposed misery he enjoys the process of imposing and Meta state while experiencing self-imposed misery.

You know, I think you might be right. ;-)

[codr7]

Or challenges, overcoming seemingly impossible obstacles, I need that to feel alive.

But it's all for me, I have no cravings for telling other people. The exception would be if I see a possibility to inspire someone.