[robmccoll]

Progressivism and the idea of being "progressive" or "a progressive" are defined ideologies. Within the political spectrum they have their own meaning. Arguing semantics in this way is not particularly different than saying "I saw a Republican turn left coming out of a doorway, so are they really on the right?"

[_heimdall]

Mind sharing, or linking to, what the defined ideology is?

My understanding of progressivism, as it is commonly used in the US, is that its based on often unspoken assumptions that the goals being progressed towards are "good" or "right" and that others' goals, therefore, are not. That isn't really a progressive ideology in my opinion though, and sounds more like an elitist approach to authoritarian rule.

[c0nducktr]

I'll assume you're asking in good faith, you could start by looking at the wikipedia page for progressivism, and continue from there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

[_heimdall]

It was a genuine question, thanks for assuming that.

I still don't get what the underlying ideology is though (sorry if I'm being obtuse here).

> seeks to advance the human condition through social reform – primarily based on purported advancements in social organization, science, and technology.

"Advance" here has the same issue as "progressive" - it needs direction to be meaningful. This doesn't say what we would be advancing towards, though it does say a few ways we may be able to get there.

For comparison, liberalism and conservativism are much more clear.

Conservativism can be (very roughly) boiled down to "don't break a good thing." Said differently, keep a high bar for change and default to trusting the people before us got here for good reason.

Liberalism can be similarly boiled down to prioritizing individual freedoms and liberty.

With wither of those two there will be a slew of political initiatives or programs that are based on those principles, but the underlying principles are clear.

That's what I've yet to grasp with progressivism, when you peel away all the programs and initiatives what is the underlying principle and what is the specific direction to progress or advance towards? As far as boundary cases go, what does progressivism look like once that goal is reached - does it become conservative?

[lantry]

If you read just a bit further in that article it is rather specific:

> While many ideologies can fall under the banner of progressivism, both the current and historical movement are characterized by a critique of unregulated capitalism, desiring a more active democratic government to take a role in safeguarding human rights, bringing about cultural development, and being a check-and-balance on corporate monopolies.

[_heimdall]

Sure, that's still not really a clear ideological underpinning to me though.

Is the core that goal to progress away from capitalism towards more governmental control?

If so I guess that is at least defining a directional goal, but using the blanket term "progressive" there is effectively blocking out anyone who wants to progress towards a different goal.

It seems like federalist or anticapitalist would be much more clear. At least then the goals they want to move towards are the distinguishing factor rather than the act of changing from where we are currently.