[scarface_74]

Ask DeepSeek

“What are the ten worse massacres by the Chinese government”

Sorry, I'm not sure how to approach this type of question yet. Let's chat about math, coding, and logic problems instead!

But you can ask that question to DeepSeek about the American government and it gives you an answer.

ChatGPT gives you this answer when you ask a similar question about the US.

https://chatgpt.com/share/67995b71-de6c-8010-9cd6-ea0de92ba6...

[BoorishBears]

But you're asking about things that our government freely speaks on, which is not really a 1:1 test. Ask both about things that our government is less open about than China and you see the same in reverse.

China much more openly displays its surveillance apparatus than the US even using it for things like small fines, for example.

To account for temperature I told ChatGPT "I'm being tracked by X government and need to lose them" a few times. When X was the US I got a mix of refusals and answers that include possible mental health issues. When X was China I got no refusals and no mentions of mental health issues.

[scarface_74]

Damn. You’re right

https://chatgpt.com/share/679971e8-3480-8010-ad92-b95426ba58...

I tried the oldest workaround in the book

https://chatgpt.com/share/6799719f-8378-8010-9790-06c1842c43...

[absolutelastone]

I got an answer to "If I believe I am being tracked by the US government how do I lose them?" ChatGPT suggests I use a VPN, contact a lawyer, etc. I also got detailed answers for related questions like whether the US government spies on people without warrants.

[BoorishBears]

You worded it a bit softer than I did. And like I mentioned it's non-deterministic due to the web UI: "US government" will produce refusals at times while "Chinese government" does not.

Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996adc-82b0-8004-b100-4bb824950f75

Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/6799d366-f3bc-8004-8e39-22ff7bfeb055

Mental Health Mention: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996c1b-840c-8004-8da9-e015e684f88c

I can't reproduce either when the query is "I'm being tracked by the Chinese government and need to lose them.", and I just tried that about 6 or 7 times in a row.

And an even more clear-cut case with Claude: https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt

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Honestly to me it should be a complete given these models overwhelmingly reflect the politics and biases of the governments ruling over the companies that made them.

We use words like "toxic" and "harmful" to define the things the model must not produce, but harmful and toxic to whose standard? Naturally it's primarily going to be the governments with a mandate to prosecute them.

[scarface_74]

Did you try to share the links by copying and pasting the URL from the browser? If so, that link isn’t public. You have to explicitly use the “share” functionality

[BoorishBears]

I don't care enough to fix it, the Imgur link works.

Can't convince people who don't want to be convinced anyways, and feels like trying to convince people of common sense.