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by reichardt 502 days ago
You likely mean sampler, not decoder. And no, the stronger the quantization, the more the output token probabilities diverge from the non-quantized model. With a sampler you can't recover any meaningful accuracy. If you force the sampler to select tokens that won't repeat, you're just trading repetitive gibberish for non-repetitive gibberish.
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> You likely mean sampler, not decoder.

Indeed, that's posting before being fully awake.

> And no, the stronger the quantization, the more the output token probabilities diverge from the non-quantized model. With a sampler you can't recover any meaningful accuracy.

OF course you can't recover any accuracy, but LLM are in fact prone to this kind of repetition no matter what, this is a known failure mode that's why samplers aimed at avoiding this have been designed over the past few years.

> If you force the sampler to select tokens that won't repeat, you're just trading repetitive gibberish for non-repetitive gibberish.

But it won't necessary be gibberish! even a highly quantized R1 has still much more embedded information than a 14 or even 32B model, so I don't see why it should output more gibberish than smaller models.