[LrnByTeach]

to me, just that these lines from DeepSeek founder/CEO Liang Wenfeng gives a clue that China communist party involvement in DeepSeek-R1 is minimal or nothing. If CCP is involved in a big way, we won't see these words from CEO.

> "For many years, Chinese companies are used to others doing technological innovation, while we focused on application monetization..."

> “But in fact, this is something that has been created through the tireless efforts of generations of Western-led tech communities. It’s just because we weren’t previously involved in this process that we’ve ignored its existence.”

[suraci]

> If CCP is involved in a big way, we won't see these words from CEO.

you don't know cpc

you don't know china

and you don't know chinese

you just imagine cpc and chinese as characters in some shit comics

every chinese could possibly said that, and cpc say this a lot everyday, and cpc made national strategy base on that, you can find these words in many gov documents

so you guys are right about one thing: china is a threat, because from cpc to normal chinese, there're tons of people in china think like this, and many of them eager to challenge this

just like what deepseek is doing right now

[Zacharias030]

do you?

[Freak_NL]

Given that they use the Chinese initialism for the Chinese Communist Party (cpc, taken from the literal translation of 中国共产党, instead of CCP), they probably do — i.e., the likelihood they are a Chinese person living in, or having lived most of their life in, China seems high.

[suraci]

certain words express certain meanings, learnt from HN

you are very perceptive, if someone who use CPC rather than CCP, they're either chinese, or pro-china, or worse, communists

[suraci]

what i think is irrelevant, I'm not at the industry which is challenging the west, at least for now

i just say that mindset (like what deepseek ceo said) is super common in China, not something hard to say or forbiddened

[yodsanklai]

Yet, ask DeepSeek what's the weather in Taiwan, it will replies that Taiwan is part of China. Ask about camps in Xinjiang, it'll say it's busy.

Generally speaking, I assume CCP is involved with anything of strategic significance. They would even chase random benign influencers.

[flybarrel]

There's a thing called "local laws and regulations" that you need to comply with to be able to operate in China. It's plain and simple - without this level of limitation, once the model is viral it will be on the radar and then censorship will apply anyway. May as well implement that from the beginning. So I don't believe CCP is actively "involved" in this, but rather the laws impacted the behavior of the company.

Microsoft apply censorship to Bing search results in China. It doesn't mean they are controlled by CCP. They just got impacted by law and they want to keep operate in China.

[chii]

The question is whether the weights they've released have such censorship in the training data, for which future users would be unable to detect nor remove.

I don't care that deepseek's own service has censorship. I would care, if they have this censored weights but haven't revealed it was (aka, fraud by omission).

[flybarrel]

I would not be super surprised if they intend to do, but I felt that's going to be very hard to implement. The censorship very likely comes from another layer.

[neoromantique]

>China communist party involvement in DeepSeek-R1 is minimal or nothing.

Until now.