[Avamander]

> Alas, maybe the whole thing was over once Apple, and Samsung got their marketing wheels spinning.

Totally possible, like Nokia vs the iPhone. Difficult to say for sure though, seeing vendors like Fitbit and Garmin still operate in the same space.

[TeMPOraL]

Not as ergonomic, no e-paper, and not hackable. They're fitness gadgets, not tools.

[Avamander]

Certainly.

I think openness is vital for such a (new) platform or ecosystem in general. The ecosystem has certainly gotten older by now, especially compared to when Pebble first started, but in my opinion a lot of the organic growth has been stunted. It's too difficult to try new things, find new useful applications and to innovate with all these walled _wearable_ gardens.

I still miss a few things the Pebble had but my Apple Watch doesn't. Which in turn makes it feel less like a tool and more like a gadget.

[bdavbdav]

I’d strongly disagree with tool vs fitness gadget here. Compare a Garmin to an Apple Watch or pebble, and it absolutely is a tool. Arguably the MIP display beats out the ePaper, ergonomics are great (I can use the buttons even while swimming), and it’s built like a brick. Not knocking the pebble too hard, but it certainly seems like an enthusiasts toy. I’m not sure what else would last me a week while tracking exercising for an hour or two each day.

[Rapzid]

Is a diving watch a tool or fitness gadget?

I have the opposite opinion on what's a tool and what's a toy.

[nradov]

Garmin devices are hackable to an extent. There is an SDK so you can write custom apps, although some of the hardware functionality isn't accessible.