[meiraleal]

DeepSeek is profitable, openai is not. That big expensive moat won't help much when the competition knows how to fly.

[aurareturn]

DeepSeek is not profitable. As far as I know, they don’t have any significant revenue from their models. Meanwhile, OpenAI has $3.7b in revenue last reported and has high gross margins.

[meiraleal]

tell that to the stock market then, it might change the graph direction back to green.

[aurareturn]

I’m doing the best I can.

[WiSaGaN]

Deepseek inference API has positive margin. This however does not take into account R&D like salary and training cost. I believe OpenAI is the same in these aspects, at least before now.