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by vkou 512 days ago
I think undersea infrastructure has been a bit of a free-for-all since Sep 26th, 2022.
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Whilst the blowing up of the nordstream pipelines was a very well known example, there were prior damage by ships to undersea infrastructure.

For example, on Jan 7th 2022 the undersea cable between Spitsbergen and Norway was severed. https://www.twz.com/43828/undersea-cable-connecting-norway-w... Turns out a Russian trawler had gone back and forth over the cable until it broke. This was covered in a nordic languages documentary called skuggkriget ('shadow wars') https://www.svtplay.se/uppdrag-granskning-skuggkriget

Of course history of this goes all the way back to the very first thing the British did in WW1 was to cut the telegraph cables between Europe and America https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42367551

And all land is free-to-take since Feb 24th, 2022.

Ultimately, international law has to be enforced by someone. Russia broke it many times before NS2 blew up, it's not like they were holding up before.

If you think taking some Russian land in recompense is a good idea, go ahead, nobody is stopping you, there is no world police.

Just let me know in advance, so that I can be on a one-way flight to Argentina, or some other southern nation.

You didn't understand my comment.

My point is that the calculus for Russia isn't "is there a precedent for breaking this type of international law?", it's rather "can we get away with it?". NS2 didn't figure in the Russia's calculus when planning the undersea cable interruption.

> Ultimately, international law has to be enforced by someone

And who has more moral right to do that than the superpower that supports a genocide, invaded iraq for no actual reason (and the whistleblower who called it "suicided")?

USA doesn't enforce "law", they enforce oppression and the interests of a few rich guys.

You don't need to be a moral actor to enforce a law.

Even a murderer can, and should, stop another murderer from killing people.

I find it weird how some people think that the country who illegally invaded Iraq on a whim enabled a genocide in Gaza could possibly be trusted to enforce international law on any other matter.

There was a period when a law based international order theoretically could have been implemented by the US but since 1991 it's always just followed the principle of "fuck you my guns are bigger than yours" with some bullshit legalistic pretext.

You don't need to be a just actor to enforce international law if you're strong enough to pull it off and it aligns with your interests.