[cedws]

Unless you’re playing around with derivatives, crypto is actually fairly safe. There are price swings but the supply doesn’t magically increase because someone was ordered to print more. Therefore there is always a reasonable expectation that its value will increase over time.

[crazygringo]

The price swings with crypto are on the demand side. It is completely unsafe because there's no rhyme or reason to its demand, people just following whichever way the crowd goes, in whichever direction, and variously hoping it continues or reverses.

It's not even like gambling on an external event like whether a horse wins -- it's betting on how other people are betting.

There is absolutely no reasonable expectation that its value will increase over time. There's no reasonable expectation of anything because it has no demand-side fundamentals whatsoever.

[cedws]

>It is completely unsafe because there's no rhyme or reason to its demand, people just following whichever way the crowd goes, in whichever direction, and variously hoping it continues or reverses.

How is this any different to any other security? There's speculation in all markets.

[crazygringo]

It's different because other securities have a fundamental present value of future cash flows. You expect corporations you buy stocks in will pay dividends and/or be purchased by another corporation that does.

If stocks get too expensive or too cheap from what people's estimation of that present value is, we know a correction will come at some point. It always does.

But with crypto, there's utterly on sense of "too expensive" or "too cheap" or "correction". It's just betting on betting.

Regular securities are fundamental value plus limited speculation. Crypto is purely speculation that is unbounded. Two totally different things.

[grajaganDev]

No, there is always a reasonable expectation that crypto will crash to near zero.

Crypto valuation is based on the greater fool theory and one day you will run out of fools.