[Dalewyn]

>They should work reliably and predictably like every good procduct.

So you're saying they should be simple?

>unless you are a very simple person who always only does very simple things and lead a uniquely simple life

Considering the massive popularity of MacOS and iOS which all mandate the same reliable and predictable user experience on every Apple device, most people are "very simple" persons who "do very simple things and lead a uniquely simple life".

The power user paradigm of old that expose all the knobs and dials and levers there are to pleasure us simply does not appeal to the commons.

[izacus]

Neither iOS nor macOS especially are even preferred by the majority users so this is a bizarre argument to make.

If anything, their biggest criticism is that they're not capable enough for many productivity workflows.

[cosmic_cheese]

For iOS there’s absolutely an argument that it’s not capable enough, but as a regular user of all three major desktop OSes I find such complaints about macOS overblown. While there’s small kernels of truth here and there much of it comes down to macOS being built around a different set of conventions than the desktop environment they’re most accustomed to (usually Windows) than inherent incapability. This is further evidenced by how it’s common for longtime Mac users have similar complaints about the Windows desktop being inadequate/incapable.

Desktop environments and user workflows are insanely personal things, not unlike clothing, diet, and music preferences but for some reason many in the tech sphere refuse to acknowledge this and try to position their preferred environment as objectively more correct/superior/etc. It’s really tiring.

[rbanffy]

> The power user paradigm of old that expose all the knobs and dials and levers there are to pleasure us simply does not appeal to the commons.

I feel that I wasted years of my life changing UI themes and colors since Windows 3 and MacOS 7, and, frankly, I have never felt tempted to do anything like that since Gnome Desktop. On the more vanilla Gnomes I don’t even change the wallpaper.

[Defletter]

Haven't you heard that the terminal is the most simple and efficient interface? Obviously everyone should just use terminals for their tasks /s

[rbanffy]

It is conceptually very simple and it pays to learn it.

[Defletter]

Except for most ordinary use cases. I guarantee you that, if someone downloads a compressed file, they'll find it infinitely easier to right click and select the "Extract here" option than whipping out some tar command. The linux-brain has people convinced that the layman would prefer the latter if only they would listen.

[megous]

That's some windows-land programming right there. The idea that a file is something clickable, some icon with a title somewhere on the screen.

And typing 5 letters is clearly not infinitely harder than right-click and rummaging through 20 item menu to find the right action. The difference is actually infinitesimally small.

[Defletter]

I'll hold your hand while I offer this groundbreaking revelation: the vast, vast majority of people are in Windows-land. We're even having issues with the younger generations who do everything on their phone and this don't really have any concept of file systems. Get out of your echo chamber. That means getting off of HN and start looking at how laymen use computers.

[megous]

My echo chamber is Norton Commander or M602 on MS-DOS, thats how I grew up to understand what a files are and how to work with them. That's how laymen used computers back then and what was thought in schools.

Key property of these was that they had command line, so you could easily navigate and execute arbitrary commands on what you see, by typing them in.

The major reason people don't use command line interface on windows or smartphones and other appliances, is because it does not have anything remotely comparable pre-installed, so they're forced to use the inferior interface.