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The person, above you, is responding as such because the framing is very passive, it sounds like it’s everyone else’s responsibility which will not help men because they have to show up. The title should “Men are not maintaining or making friendships”

They do show up at my art and DnD meetups and some of them can barely talk, at first, but after a while you can see them start to come out of their shell, I find it takes about two years before their lives become transformed.

But again, they have to show up and thats on them.

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You are reading into “we get”, a perhaps shortened phrase (“we get to have”, i.e. “that’s an option for us?”) which is obviously useful in such a sardonic reply. This was interpreted as a joke but for some reason this person still ran with the entitlement shtick.

And since we’re playing language/interpretation games: this attitude that men in particular feel entitlement in this area is backlash against people writing about problems that men have is if it isn’t simply and narrowly a problem of the individual. It starts like this:

- Initially it’s taboo

- Then it’s a topic about how men are failing as individuals

- Then it gets seen as a sociological problem (a sociological problem can still be an individual problem in other contexts, it’s a lens)

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I think the people pushing this narrative want, exactly, the reaction you are displaying here.

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What position? That social science is conceptually a thing?

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I think we are agreeing it’s an individual’s problem. I was responding to the “compassion” comment not the joke comment but the same applies for everyone.

I just see streams of these weirdly skewed articles. The irony of segmenting society to fight loneliness is not lost on me.

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I don’t think I care to agree with you at all or your way of responding with obtuse “the reaction you are displaying here”, then backing away from it.

Someone who wants institutions where people can get such support is pushing a narrative. Okay. Good for you.

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or maybe you don't write clearly?