[theshrike79]

That’s why the lights go on at the dimmest setting at night. Or not at all.

It’s literally one extra if clause in the logic

[ocdtrekkie]

And then when I need it brighter? Or if I don't want the lights on at all?

Sure, you can manage an increasingly programmed logic path for every conceivable option, but it's way easier to just hit the light switch.

There’s a point where you're spending a multiple of the cost on equipment and a huge amount of time, to save you a net amount of... zero effort. It becomes a waste.

[kyorochan]

> but it's way easier to just hit the light switch

> to save you a net amount of... zero effort

This is just not true. I have 7 lights in the room I'm in right now, and I want them to all turn on and off together. This was a huge pain before I had smart lights.

[zxvkhkxvdvbdxz]

then you change brightness or on/off using the homekit integration. its literally on my lockscreen