[bluGill]

Most pensions since the 1970s or prehaps before are government insured in the us. But my family has stories of the relative who worked for a company for decades the company sent bankrupt when he was 60 and the pension was invested in the now worthless company stock.

the above is why I tend to oppose employee owned conpanies. Too much risk for the common man to have so much net worth in their job.

[lotsofpulp]

Even insured, they constantly require bailouts by federal Congress because PBGC can’t handle the load, depending on the political influence of the group being bailed out.

Auto manufacturing, teamsters, coal miners, etc. Only question is how much pull your group has in Congress.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/business/coal-miner-pensi...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/08/politics/biden-union-pension-...

The biggest pension (and IRA/401k) bailout, however, is the implicit backstop the US provides the public equity markets. Might as well cut out the middleman and own the inflation protected asset yourself rather than accept a defined benefit in someone else’s control.