[wirrbel]

Braam really took Neovim personally and got better at getting stuff into vim that he wouldn't merge before once neovim was arround as a competitor. I really lost track of vim in the last years because neovim is just a solid platform with an active community.

But honestly at work, I think I am the only one using either a vim or emacs (I kind of use neovim and emacs but primarily neovim). In my childhood there was a TV series called "The last of his class" and it really showed old people (retirement age) doing jobs that will be gone once their retire. While some jobs truly vanished, others just transformed so drastically that they cannot be likened anymore to the job those folks did. Anyway, I feel we are watching changes in developer tooling that will be seen as the end of an era.

* https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Letzte_seines_Standes%3F

[mmooss]

Why do Neovim users feel the need to take down Bram and Vim? Now you are taking credit for Bram's work!

Why not make an application you love and leave everyone else alone? The community's behavior - what I see - is a deterrent to using Neovim.

[Anthony-G]

> Now you are taking credit for Bram's work!

That’s a baseless accusation. I’ve been using Vim for about 25 years, and over the years have contributed small changes to some of the default plugins maintained by third parties (mostly language syntax and `filetype` configuration files). I have yet to even try Neovim but I too noticed that the rate of minor version releases and new features in Vim had increased after the Neovim project got off the ground.

[mmooss]

It's not at all baseless - the basis is the parent (now GGP) comment, even if you disagree with the analysis.

[wirrbel]

It’s astonishing that you can arrive at this conclusion from my comment. He did great work, his development process did not scale. I am happy that I was able to use vim for more than a decade prior to neovim. The fact that after the neovim fork vims development started to pick up speed again is a fact (and doesn’t devalue bram’s work in any way).

I am happy with bram’s work on vim and with the neovim devs and their work on neovim.

[mmooss]

> his development process did not scale

I hope my development projects fail like Moolenaar's! Vim has been extraordinarily successful for decades, possibly the top 5 or 10 FOSS projects ever (?). Citing Vim as an example of development process failure is really incredible.

[wirrbel]

Again, it is not a failure of him or his project that his development process heavily relied on him reviewing, modifying and merging patches and that he at times did not commit time to do that. He was not obliged to do more than what he did and vim was indeed very successful.

However, it is also very understandable why vim was forked by the neovim devs, in my view it has been a great success. That doesn't diminish Bram Molenaars achievements and contributions to the world.