[ozim]

I feel like it is the same with ORMs argument is always "they don't know proper SQL so they use ORM instead".

Which usually from people I know is they do know SQL and ORM and "no ORM crowd" doesn't have much to show.

Exactly the same with Tailwind, I see coworkers doing Tailwind and knowing CSS well and not being "pure vegan CSS developers".

But on the other hand we don't hire people who would utter such things like "no ORM" or "no framework" because those were also as in experience people who would create technical debt for others to deal with.