[rat87]

Start by not doing

But China on global warming

Second step do more as a country

Third step try to shame or encourage China and other countries into doing more

The US is still in the lead for total emissions historically and has a higher emissions per person. If it ignores it's responsibility it makes it very easy for China not to mention India or other lower total emissions countries to do the same.

China is doing something if not enough. The goal should not be trying to find a way to avoid responsibility because that's how you get all countries to avoid doing anything. The point is too keep pushing all countries starting with yours to to more

[caminante]

Not working.

Do more? The US is buying pv panels produced on Chinese coal power. And no party is catching China's GHG productions.

Arguing cumulative historicals is playing into propaganda, and per capita? China is doing enough? They're building new coal plants! You can't be serious.

[rat87]

We need to do much much much more. Starting with banning ICE cars by 2035 if not sooner

Did I say China was doing enough? No

Are they do enough?

Hell no

Is the US doing enough? Hell no

Arguing historicals and per capita plays into Chinese propaganda because there is some truth to it. There is also truth to the fact that China emits twice as much as the US and almost a third of the worlds emissions.

I don't like or trust the authorian dictatorship of China

But are you going to get China to emit less then they currently do by reversing the already inadequate measures the US is taking? No. We need to do much much more and get China and other countries to do more

If we use excuses of other countries to do less then so will they and we will all burn up together.

[Lanolderen]

Electric is seen as some miracle fix but it's really not that simple. ICE producton lines won't just disappear.

Emergency and industrial vehicles will need to remain ICE to a large extent because you don't want to be reliant on the grid and because they need tons of range, there's a reason they pay for extra large fuel tanks.

Vans and trucks don't really work as electric unless you're the post office just doing a trip around the block carrying no significant weight and stopping every 10 meters for the entire workday.

Cost and fire concerns are an issue.

People who travel long distance daily for work are much better served by a diesel.

Also chucking all of our ICE cars at the third world probably isn't a good way of improving emissions. What we probably actually need is hybrids, eco fuels, lighter and smaller cars on average, (electric) motorcycles/scooters, vehicles that last longer, retrofit emission improvement kits for older vehicles, etc.

[caminante]

> did i say china was doing enough? No

This is bad faith when your text says you want to shame them into doing more. Someone doing enough doesn't need to be shamed into further action.

[dgfitz]

Yeah, that worked out phenomenally with US-china trade agreements!