[menaerus]

I skimmed through the paper real quickly. There's no performance data on inference speedups in the paper. Only the benchmarks relevant for training.

They also, interestingly, don't compare against the flash-attention. Flash-attention outperforms all of the other attention mechanisms mentioned in the paper: MHA, MQA, GQA, and MLA.

[apophis-ren]

Flash attention is an implementation trick; you can implement MHA/GQA, for example, with flash attention.

[verdverm]

They aren't claiming speedups, they are claiming up to an order of magnitude less space needed for the kv cache at runtime. This translates to a smaller GPU or longer sequences in the same GPU

[menaerus]

Under what circumstances can you cut down your LOADS and STORE from and to main memory by an order of magnitude without observing major improvements in algorithm runtime that is memory-bound?

[verdverm]

AI models are compute bound, it's why we use GPUs

[menaerus]

Incorrect. Self-attention is a highly parallel algorithm that makes it a great candidate for being a memory-bound workload once you have enough compute.

Both datacenter grade CPUs and GPUs have enough compute to carry out the self-attention computation but it is only the latter that has enough hi-bandwidth memory to make the algorithm really perform. If this hadn't been the case, the theory behind flash-attention wouldn't materialize, and it does, and reason being that (main) memory is slow.

Deep FFWD networks OTOH are compute-bound.

[zaptrem]

Transformers are deep feedforward networks that happen to also have attention. Causal LMs are super memory bound during inference due to kv caching as all of those linear layers need to be loaded onto the core to transform only a single token per step.

[menaerus]

And I said something else?

[lostmsu]

Memory bound only applies to low batch size scenarios AFAIK

[menaerus]

This obviously depends on the hardware and the shape of the LLM model itself but, generally speaking, it's quite the opposite. The idea of batching is to grow the compute bandwidth per single request, bigger batch sizes with much more compute will put more stress to the underlying (cache, RAM) memory subsystem, no?

For N self-attention layers, there will be N compute (tensor) units doing the computation in parallel. To retire the computation, each compute unit will need to LOAD/STORE from and to the chip memory. At batch size B, this only becomes a bigger scale, e.g. B * (N, LOAD/STORE).