[dinkumthinkum]

I think Trump is clearly wrong on this and the Constitution clearly supports birth-right citizenship and it is backed by precedence. But, this will probably be challenged in the Supreme Court and despite what people think the Court uphold birth-right. I don't think they are going to "round" anyone up because of this; I think it is more about future citizens.

The other thing that I don't understand, all these leftist Americans that think America is terrible and Europe is clearly superior, are they able to name any countries that support birth-right citizenship?

[bmgoau]

What does it say about the current president that he would sign an executive order that directly contravenes the constitution.

Are we to take solace in that his worst actions will be rejected by the court?

Can we not have a good faith actor instead?

Is it not possible to have a president that begins from a position of knowledge and respect for the constitution? And thus this detour via the court system is made unnecessary?

[dinkumthinkum]

Many Presidents, including Obama, etc, have supported orders and legislation that are unconstitutional; this is pretty common. As far as this issue, he has some people that think they can make an argument that the 14th doesn't apply, he has been wrongly advised about that, in my view.

[bdangubic]

all these leftist Americans that think America is terrible and Europe is clearly superior, are they able to name any countries that support birth-right citizenship

not sure who exactly you are referring to but even people that I know that think Europe is "superior" do not thing that Europe is superior in every way. unlike all these rightist Americans the leftist ones believe in the US Constitution though :)

[dinkumthinkum]

Then why is there so much vitriol about this particular point about birth-right citizenship? People act as if ending birth-right citizenship (leftists, in this case) is some kind of apocalypse (even though this action will fail).

[bdangubic]

simple - because it is unconstitutional which rightist seemed to not really care about these days (even ones that funnily carry a pocket version to show to MSM…)

[dinkumthinkum]

Obama and other presidents put forth orders and legislation that was unconstitutional and the I didn't see the left freaking out about it so maybe try again?