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by nostradumbasp 513 days ago
9 times out of 10 the company sells, performs a reduction in force, or goes under before they vest. 1 time out of 1000 the company is worth something and remains operable over a 5 year period.

Rules of thumb for the green engineers:

- Take salary/health insurance over stock in almost all cases.

- At some companies employees who are greener and greedier will fight/sabotage all their peers to get rid of them, is this the type of place you want to be at? Insider fighting is often a big part of why these companies fail.

- Never pay into start up equity. If a company "offers you the chance to buy their stock" after X months/years don't do it and if you do, don't put much in. Have an excuse so no one gets offended like "I am saving for a house" or something. If you're looking at a 5k minimum simply don't do it unless that is peanuts for you.

- Make sure anything offered is in writing and completely understood before joining. Lots of things are said at final stage interviews. If it isn't in writing you are not getting it. Ask questions be annoying.

- Negotiate. Its the only way you can actually get what you want. If the stocks mean nothing to you unless you get them quick, negotiate that. Start ups close doors extremely suddenly every single day.

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> If a company "offers you the chance to buy their stock" after X months/years don't do it

This generalizes to a rule of thumb, "Don't accept any deal you didn't go looking for." Same as a trapdoor firewall doesn't accept any incoming connections.

Someone on the street offers to sell you a bridge, say no. You get brightly-colored letters from your credit union selling you car insurance, recycle them. Your friend wants you to buy a bowling alley with him, refuse.

It almost always works.

What about if the valuation was super low when you received the options agreement?

For instance, if I got $5,000 worth of options when the company was “worth” 1 million, is that a safe bet to buy into?

Like surely the founder would be able to sell the company for 1 million dollars instead of crashing and burning… right?

> surely the founder would be able to sell the company for 1 million dollars instead of crashing and burning

That is absolutely not guaranteed at all! It's not even guaranteed that the next funding round will be on a better basis, or not dilute you.

The pre-IPO market for companies is illiquid and bad at price discovery.

> That is absolutely not guaranteed at all! It's not even guaranteed that the next funding round will be on a better basis, or not dilute you.

It's not even guaranteed that there will be a funding round at all. Raising money is extremely hard, for most companies.

> If it isn't in writing you are not getting it.

Golden words to live by.