[iaseiadit]

What “fascism” are we talking about here? A company pulling tampons from men’s rooms? Companies scaling down DEI departments that advocated (probably illegally) in favor of gender and race-based discrimination?

Or are you speaking more broadly about the U.S.? Is it fascist to revert to a sane border policy that’s aligned with what most U.S. citizens and legal immigrants want? Or an executive branch that’s actually run by a democratically-elected individual, instead a non-elected shadow government that governed on behalf of a dementia-afflicted president whose condition was hidden from the American public for years? The same government that censored the media? Or the tech companies that willingly obliged with the government censorship? The same tech companies that fired employees for expressing opinions that differed from those held by the liberal establishment?

Sorry, I’m getting very confused if we’re turning into the fascism or finally turning away from it.

[_yb2s]

It is fascism to create a false narrative that all of our problems are caused by people with a different skin color, country of origin, gender identity, etc., and that it justifies setting up an authoritarian government that unjustly persecutes those groups and anyone that disagrees or tries to stop them.

[iaseiadit]

Immigrants are welcome in America, but we do not have an open border. We have an immigration process that must be followed, just like every other country on Earth.

Violating the immigration process is breaking the law. Enforcing our laws is not “unjustly persecuting” people.

If you can’t be intellectually honest and distinguish between illegal and legal immigration, or the fact that the U.S. does not have an open border and US citizens overwhelmingly do not want an open border with the rest of the world, there’s no basis for a conversation.

[_yb2s]

It is unreasonable to pretend this movement in the USA is even remotely content with strictly enforcing current immigration law, or welcoming to legal immigrants. The foundation of the movement is based on fundamentally dehumanizing and hating immigrants- with blatantly dishonest rhetoric like “they’re eating our pets” and discussion of how to revoke 100% legal full US citizenship by widespread denaturalization under dishonest and fabricated accusations. Just yesterday there was an unconstitutional executive order with a motivated misinterpretation of the law that aims to deny citizenship to US born children.

I am an academic scientist and many of my coworkers are foreign born and all here legally with green cards or visas. These are brilliant people with PhDs developing tech that is massively stimulating the US economy. Every single one of them knows they are unwanted by this current administration and political movement and is making family preparations for forced deportation. I noticed about half of our foreign postdocs suddenly needed to “visit home” this month, and I expect many are terrified and don’t plan to return. A similar terror to what trans people are facing, as discussed here. New hires have been refusing prestigious job offers for lesser offers in other countries.

The core of the movement is driven by hatred and dehumanization of specific groups of people- any particular immigration policy is only secondary and a first step.

Focusing on the immigrant aspect alone is also not appropriate here, when they are systematically implementing the entire philosophy and systems of fascism in all other aspects as well.

[tomlockwood]

Is it fascist to vilify immigrants? Is the republican party full of bright young twenty year olds? Can you post "cis" on twitter?

[iaseiadit]

Who “vilifies immigrants”? President Trump is married to an immigrant, as is Vice President Vance. And many of Trumps advisors are immigrants. And he has repeatedly said he wants America to attract the best people from around the world. You mean he vilified illegal immigrants specifically. That’s fair, he did. But he’s not obligated to speak kindly about people who flout our laws.

> Is the republican party full of bright young twenty year olds?

An absurd question, especially when outgoing Democratic president is a senile octogenarian. Twenty year olds traditionally favor Democrats, (although many shifted towards Trump in this election) but how is that evidence of fascism?

> Can you post “cis” on twitter?

Could you speak freely about Covid-19’s origins on Facebook? Is censorship only fascism when you don’t like it?

[defrost]

> Who “vilifies immigrants”? President Trump is married to an immigrant, as is Vice President Vance.

Misogynists, domestic abusers, patriarchs, etc. are also frequently married to women.

Such is the real world in which we live.

As points go that one doesn't carry weight.

[tomlockwood]

He's not obligated to do anything, man, but I can point at what he does and call it fascism.

I know you may struggle with this because the American education system is awful, but if you pay a tiny fraction of attention to what American senators are like, you'll come to know that in a fistfight or a battle of the wits there is a non-zero number of senators that Biden could beat. This is not a Red vs Blue issue, as simple as that might be for you.

You're claiming America is "turning away from fascism" because of free-er speech. Citation needed. The Christian right is famously book-ban happy, my friend.

[Shocka1]

The parent comment you responded to was respectful and thoughtful, progressing the conversation in accordance to HN guidelines.

> I know you may struggle with this because the American education system is awful

This part undermines your whole comment by coming across as an insult rather than contributing meaningfully to the conversation. This is interpreted that the parent commenter lacks intelligence due to their awful American education, which is not productive at all.

While I understand that topics like this one can be emotionally charged, I encourage you to communicate in a more respectful manner in the future. It will help your perspective be heard more clearly.

[tomlockwood]

I don't think you read the original comment.

[tordrt]

PISA suggests the US has a very good education system, and probably better than where your are from. https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1732087511327908128?s=4...

[codesnik]

we've seen newly government getting from shadow to the front row on the inauguration. No need to hide anymore.