[intended]

>feels like the start of a very dangerous path

Start?

[davidw]

I'm old enough to remember how things used to be and it sure wasn't perfect, but JFC is it bad now.

[justatdotin]

really? cos I feel old, but as far back as I remember usa's vaunted democratic institutions have been a sideshow while the wealthy favour global militarist domination over the needs of ordinary american people.

when did you decide that things went bad?

[davidw]

Let's see:

SC decision that presidents are above the law.

Violent assault on the Capitol.

Journalism imploding.

[justatdotin]

OK.

I'm looking for a year.

I think the SC decision was last year, whereas the capitol riot was 4 yrs ago.

sorry, I don't know a date for 'journalism imploding', but I'm guessing you mean 2016?

so you think the WMD lies were before things turned bad?

[intended]

I’ve personally harped on the failure of globalization since the 1990s, before it was cool.

Nothing has been this bad.

But perhaps I’m wrong. Could you point out how today is the same as before?

[justatdotin]

broad brushstrokes: democracy as a sideshow while the rulers prioritise warriorism over the material needs of the population was clear last century.

what's worse? I mean, I'll readily admit that the sideshow has got more ridiculous, but the main game is the same.

[intended]

How much worse would you say has the side show gotten?

Would you say the sideshow itself is being undermined at this point?

[justatdotin]

I dunno about worse, but wildly more ridiculous. Not sure how to measure, but the scattergun disinfo is certainly another level beyond targeted lies.

maybe we need to undermine it? if the institutions of 'democracy' that tower over us are not working we might need to build some from the ground up that do.

[zouhair]

Oh yeah, the good old segregation times.