[verdverm]

Mastadon is too complicated for your average, non-technical user. There is also the issue that your account is tied to a specific server and migration means you lose your followers. Discovery and server DDoS on a viral post are also challenges for the way ActivityPub was architected.

ATProto is still young, even compared to ActivityPub. It will continue to evolve and improve. It certainly has the momentum compared to ActivityPub

[clot27]

You can migrate your account on masto without loosing followers https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-anot...

[verdverm]

You can, but as that document makes clear, it is very complicated to move an account and to do it right.

[treyd]

It's really not complicated, that article is just being excessively verbose for clarity. The UI itself explains it very well, it takes just a couple of minutes to log into both servers and set up the transfer.

[BeetleB]

> Mastadon is too complicated for your average, non-technical user.

The only headache is picking the server. If I pick one for them it's pretty smooth sailing from there.

If someone can't handle the basic interface, there's a really really high chance he doesn't have much of value to say.

The problem isn't that it's "complicated". It's that they have no incentive to sign up.

As much as the HN crowd hates it, ads and marketing work. People went to Bluesky not because it's easier but because several famous people talked about it loudly and everyone knows the people behind the original Twitter are behind it.

Marketing.

[verdverm]

The problem I've heard others bring up is that you pick a server, then later the moderation policies of the admins changes. You can either deal with it or start over again on another server. Losing all your followers is why people put up with bad social media overlords.

ATProto removes the switching cost. This is a significant difference from ActivityPub

[BeetleB]

> The problem I've heard others bring up is that you pick a server, then later the moderation policies of the admins changes.

Moderation policies change even with the big ones (Twitter, etc).

I suspect you're referring to the confusion due to different servers having different moderation policies, and that could effectively make you invisible to others or vice versa merely by being on a given server.

First, my guess is that this is a problem with a tiny percentage of servers. I've not had to deal with this even once.

Second, when you say you "heard others bring it up", my guess is these others are highly technical folks. Not a single "average" person stayed away from Mastodon due to this. I suspect perhaps 99% of active Mastodon users are not even aware of this.

These are valid criticisms of Mastodon. But they're not the reason people didn't sign up for it. Name recognition is.

> You can either deal with it or start over again on another server. Losing all your followers is why people put up with bad social media overlords.

FYI, for quite a while now you can switch servers, and have the followers automatically follow your new account.

[clot27]

I mean, isnt the default server on ATP also managed by a corpo? So what if they change the rule? they dont even have option to migrate account

[numpad0]

Level of de-centralization Bluesky has is somewhere between the old Twitter and Ethereum, neither of which have strong resistance against central decision making.

The problem discussed here is that Mastodon is not simply de-centralized, but its superstructure upholds a segregation policy and loves to ostracize admins based on, ahem, preferences. This in turn encourage admins to join a virtue signaling zeitgeist, and towards assuming more divisive and dismissive stances, out of fear. As a second order effect, regular non-admin users and their ability to communicate would be not only at whim of the server owner but also that of the inner group cast towards the admin.

Bluesky doesn't have this type of problem, precisely because it's not too decentralized. Either you individually get banned or not, based on levels of value alignment between you and the corpo outsourced moderators. There are also blocklist feature as well as third party voluntarily applicable moderation framework in Bluesky, but personally I can't imagine majority of users using it, or dividing the network into fragmented subgroups, and are non-factors in the grand scheme of things.

(By the way, I sometimes wonder how moderator value alignment is going to inevitably drift over time; as I understand it, social media content moderation is partially automated and exploitatively outsourced to workers from low income regions, such as sub-Saharan Africa. This phenomenon is almost exclusively discussed in context of human rights and fair worker treatment, but I think this also means a lot of people with minimal prior exposure to media, let alone the anaerobic layer of the Internet, are being trained to develop preferences on such content and especially the more flaggable yet less hateful and flaggable-but-less-flag-deserving content. i.e. stimulative but not blood and gore. If anyone is reading down to this line, you know what I mean.)

[verdverm]

Subscribing to a labeller is as easy as following any other account. I use several 3rd party moderation services. The bar to adoption is much lower than I think you anticipate

[metabagel]

Can you recommend any of them?

[verdverm]

Bluesky has an initial PDS anyone can run, available on their github. Last I checked they said not to host more than 10 accounts during the beta testing. You can absolutely migrate your account and still use the Bluesky app. The custom server is an option at login

https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds

[metabagel]

In my (strongly held) opinion, the experience is better on BlueSky. Discovery on Mastodon was tedious work for me.

[aiono]

After you pick a server is there anything else that makes it hard?