[warner25]

I feel the same way as the parent comment. They're number two for now, but seem screwed in a world that's moving towards outlawing gasoline-powered cars. Their bets on hydrogen fuel cells haven't yielded anything, and now they're a decade behind on developing EV experience and expertise.

I've owned three Toyotas because they've always seemed to be the lowest total-cost-of-ownership option, being especially good in the compact and midsize segments. American manufacturers are trying as hard as possible to abandon those segments. So what will we be left with? I don't want a giant, luxury sports car that costs $50k+.

[philwelch]

> They're number two for now, but seem screwed in a world that's moving towards outlawing gasoline-powered cars.

I wouldn’t worry about that anymore.

[warner25]

For the next 2-4 years, sure, but this seems like a longer-term trend towards something that's going to happen eventually.

[philwelch]

No, I think we're seeing a correction in the long term trend. It's possible that EV's will take over the car market, but if they do it will be because that's what consumers prefer, not because of government mandates.

[rat87]

I mean ice are definitely going to be banned sooner or later. For everyones sake it should be sooner