[spenczar5]

> The economy is built on grifting, at this point

I agreed until here. Obviously, lying isn't the only way to make money. I make furniture and fix windows in old houses for a living. Am I grifting?

When you stretch into hyperbole, you lose the ability to convince people in the middle.

[calebio]

It's not that hyperbolic. I'd say the economy isn't built on you making furniture and fixing windows in old houses for a living.

Do folks like you exist? Yes. Is the economy built on folks like you? No.

[tomxor]

> Do folks like you exist? Yes. Is the economy built on folks like you? No.

Are you sure?

If you ignore human constructs such as companies and organisations and quantify based on classifications that make more sense for aggregates of workers, you might be surprised how little of the economy is built on the F500 let alone venture capital unicorns.

[csomar]

I'd actually say it's opposite. The economy is built on folks like him but rewards other folks making it seems like his contribution to the economy is nil.

[hathawsh]

Here is a breakdown of the US GDP in 2023:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-u-s-gdp-by-indu...

I think it's fair to say that a large component of the top two industries (professional services and real estate) are shady. OTOH, there are a lot of industries that seem less prone to corruption and more likely to reward people for honest work.

That's just my POV, though.

[kortilla]

What do you think the economy is built on? Do you realize how much is spent on basic things like energy, food, construction of roads, buildings, houses?

It’s very obvious when people straight up lie in these industries because the physical thing never materializes.

[TeMPOraL]

> It’s very obvious when people straight up lie in these industries because the physical thing never materializes.

Sort of. The trick in these industries is to instead cheat on quality of materials and workmanship. Which is how we're drowning in physical products to buy, and yet most of them are barely functioning garbage - they've all been "value engineered" to near breaking point.

[pbhjpbhj]

Yeah, if people were lying about utilities and infrastructure we'd have a right mess... like sewage pumped into rivers and onto beaches whilst water executives take home £millions. Those same companies begging for taxpayers money to do maintenance whilst paying out billions to shareholders. And infrastructure projects that look weirdly like ways to divert £billions of tax resources into private hands whilst achieving essentially no benefit.

/crying-in-UK

One of many stories about HS2 -- they managed to not document procurement though, so the judges didn't turn find evidence of corruption in that aspect (different story) -- https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/10/23/british-high-speed-r...

[kjs3]

I get what you mean, but one could argue its a bit hyperbolic (maybe false equivalence?) to draw a line between the economic impact of small biz/single proprietor and the economy writ large.

That said...thank gawd there's still room for biz like yours.

[marxisttemp]

What percentage of the GDP is furniture making and window fixing? Yours is a noble profession, and like most noble professions is barely a blip in the grand Machiavellian scheme of capitalism

[kortilla]

People building physical things makes up far more of the GDP than VC-backed startups producing vaporware

[marxisttemp]

If you mean manufacturing vs tech sector, then yes; however much of manufacturing has become automated. I was referring to actual craftsmen crafting things. Point being, when people talk bad about capitalism, they’re not talking about artisans or craftspeople or other tradespeople plying their trade, they are referring to the system by which capital is accrued and hoarded by the owner class