[calciphus]

LA is one of the most car-centric cities I've ever seen. "we can have less parking" would require a fundamental shift in culture.

Doing it right after a major fire where people are alive precisely because they were able to put themselves and a few belongings into their personal vehicle and go where they could shelter with friends or family is bordering on an impossible ask.

[sagarm]

Plenty of people had to abandon their cars and flee on foot

[whimsicalism]

in 10 years time self-driving will be all over LA, we should build with foresight

[grajaganDev]

I think this is optimistic.

[grardb]

The idea that self-driving cars will be anywhere in any timeframe is actually very pessimistic to me.

[whimsicalism]

really? i can already call a self-driving car in LA but the idea that this will scale up in the next 10 years is out there?

[HDThoreaun]

Waymo is not self driving. It’s remote operated, much more expensive. People will not give up their vehicle for an expensive taxi service. There are no self driving cars that actually work and there are none on the horizon.

[whimsicalism]

it’s not remote operated and it is also not much more expensive and i have no idea why you assume costs will be constant.

i take waymos all the time, often replacing my car, i have never had a single issue

[HDThoreaun]

Literally so easy to find out that it’s remote operated with the operators taking over on average once per mile. That can’t scale in a cost effective way unless you only use it like once a week. People who need to drive everyday can’t afford it. Otherwise they’d just be ubering everywhere now instead of owning a car.

[thrance]

I don't see what that's got to do with city planning and increasing density.

[whimsicalism]

feel like it has obvious salience around the necessity of parking requirements going forward just like if a rail line opened up near you

[fragmede]

No need to wait 10 years, Waymo currently operates in LA.

[kristjansson]

In a service area that _very_ purposefully stops before the sort of narrow, hilly streets that covered most of the evacuation zones.

[whimsicalism]

yeah i’m sure that’ll stay the same for 10 years, technology famously stays constant

[kristjansson]

I suspect you're right, I was pointing out the current limits.

But so what if they do have full coverage in 10 years? We can build apartments with no/fewer parking spaces, and therefore somewhat lower costs. Why do we build those sort of apartments on some of the most desirable land on the planet? Look at the One Coast development on the bottom of Sunset - denser than SFH, plenty of parking, and no trouble selling condos starting at $3-5m. At that's at the bottom of the hill!

[whimsicalism]

why should we only build large buildings in places where poor people live? i don't see why these neighborhoods should be reserved for the wealthy rather than mixed income if the demand is there. generally the market pressure for larger buildings is going to be highest in wealthy areas and for good reason