[manquer]

> (Not-really volunteers as well)

There were many volunteers at Chernobyl, like the three engineers who went underwater to close the valves, many people fully understood the risks associated and still worked on it voluntarily. Lets not belittle their sacrifices by snide political commentary

[slackfan]

Let's also not belittle the sacrifice of the unwilling prisoners sent to die

[manquer]

That is the normal state of things in most countries. Yes their efforts should be remembered too.

There are currently 800+ "voluntary" prisoner who are working firefighters battling the wildfires in Southern California for less than $5-10/day risking higher injuries than professionals with limited healthcare.

Every country in times of need uses their prisoners as does Russia today for their war and they don't get treated the same as civilians in terms of rights.

Forced labor in high risk jobs is also true to every draft and conscription in every military ever, not just for soviet union or other oppressive regimes.

This is the social contract between a country and its citizens.

Nobody is dismissing the all firefighters in California as forced labor without choice in their sacrifice because some of them are prisoners who have limited choice as parent post was implying.

I think people who worked in Chernobyl deserve the same courtesy of considering all their sacrifices as voluntary independent of how they got there.

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On a side note we have the least standing to comment on forced work by prisoner in other countries, Slavery is still legal in the constitution for prisoners, we have the highest incarceration rates anywhere in the world even more than most regimes[1] in the world and for-profit prisons who charge prisoners from phone calls to soap a lot of money and also pay very little for the work they do while incarcerated .

[1] https://www.prisonpolicy.org/global/2024.html

[pierrec]

I don't think the grandparent comment was misleading, belittling or snide in any way.