[throaway89]

That's a totally false dichotomy and indicative of the attitude I'm talking about. You can have a social circle that isn't subject to surveillance (let alone control) by the corporation that owns the platform you are speaking on, because REAL LIFE is not a platform!

[bdangubic]

in real life I assume you have a cell phone? no greater surveillance than that… drive a car? license readers are everywhere… etc etc

unless you move to amish country you are subject to surveillance which is only going to get worse…

[throaway89]

You know what they say about assumptions! I have no cell phone and dont own a car. I dont need either and truly feel pity for those who do, realistically or otherwise, feel they need one. Im not interested in playing a fatalistic game of race-me-to-the bottom.

Surveillance isn't even my main concern. It's the hijacking of people's attention, and the way it makes people think that they can somehow live out their life on the internet in a way that's comparable to real life, that makes me upset and has soured me on the internet.

[bdangubic]

gospeed mate! if you own no car and no mobile big thumbs up!

[hulitu]

> You can have a social circle that isn't subject to surveillance

Your phone knows where and who you are, your (new) car knows where you are. Same for your friends.

[throaway89]

Can your phone or your car remove you from real life? Are you required, by definition, to use a car or a phone to talk to people, in real life?