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>There is nothing certain about the claim that his look is bad.

You don't have to have 100% certainty here to make an educated guess. You were willing to assume he's so likely to be a psycho killer that you couldn't have him in your house, but you won't admit the obvious thing that is there is a 99.9% chance that the guy writing that "most women find most men disgusting, here is data" thinks he is unattractive and probably is.

>It is making internally inconsistent claims, projecting a lot, it is making conclusions unsupported by data.

He is literally posting data and trying to reason about it. Like I said, society lies to us to conceal the fact that women are as vain as men if not more. I can't tell you how many friends have told me looks don't matter, and how many movies and TV shows had that message. But nothing made sense until I realized that the message is a fantasy, or at best an admonition to give people a chance even when they have shortcomings.

>He looks for one night stands, because his only gauge of what he looks in women are ... looks. That works only for one night stands and nothing else. If you want anything else, you need to be compatible in more areas. If your evaluation of dating situation starts and ends with leagues, you are going for one night stands, whether consciously or not.

Just because he is complaining about a looks issue does not mean he is after one night stands. It's just the one thing that you can pinpoint easily and generalize. Most guys think like "I want a girl who is nice to me and not too hard on the eyes, and maybe has a few things in common but I don't care what." The guys that can get one night stands don't sit around and ruminate about data showing that women are picky. They just go get laid, and have actual options if they want something serious.

>The claim that women are bad at rating men is unsupported. All we see is that they do not end up with gaussian curve, so what?

The support is this: we expect looks are roughly distributed on a bell curve. So either it isn't that way and 80% of men actually are repulsive, or looks in men are distributed that way. One final possibility is that attraction is the thing that is actually distributed that way (as in every woman is looking for something overly specific even in appearances, and they make exceptions for the most stereotypically attractive).

>I honestly did not seen women running around complaining about lack of good looking men around.

No but what you see in spades is women complaining that certain guys won't return their calls, or stop cheating, or commit to them. So they often find their good looking men and can only secure them for recreational use, meanwhile average guys are getting ghosted on their 2 online dating matches per month.

>How do you know what he thought? How do you know he has no dating problems? I would claim that visually uneven couples piss off selected minority of the people who just cant accept that other people are not like them.

I know what he thought because he issued a loud sigh or "pfft" when I turned up, and I hadn't even said anything to him. I'm not an idiot. I could see he was into the girl I was with and pissed off that I was with her. Maybe the people who don't like to see visually mismatched couples are in a minority, but it is a much smaller minority of people who will let you know it like that.

>If people tell someone just shower, it is either insult or strong hit they should shower more regardless of which gender is around.

No, this is just some stupid thing that people came up with. Most people won't tell you when your face is dirty or your fly is open. People don't want to give direct or hurtful dating advice, especially when no advice will help. But they also don't want to blow you off obviously. So they come up with meaningless answers like that. It's the social equivalent of saying "there's someone out there for you."

>Like, disability level short? Cause I can tell you, smaller guys around me have partners.

I know there are many shorter guys who have partners. But the fact is that dating as a non-tall guy sucks. I'm definitely not talking about disability-level (I think that's 4'10 by ADA standards, and that is also the threshold for the military). If a guy is under 5'10 these days he definitely isn't having an easy time. Many women (even women as short as 5') set their minimum filters to 6' and often make derogatory comments about short men.

>Whatever statistical disadvantage there is, it is at worst similar to disadvantage of women with small breasts.

That's not how statistics work. I wish I had the odds of success of a woman whose only problem is having small breasts. A woman like that, assuming she isn't fat or messed up in the face, could have hundreds or even thousands of likes on any dating app within a week. Her friends would also hook her up. That isn't a peculiarity of dating apps either. Real-life events turn out very similarly, with too many single guys. Even ugly and obese women get more attention than average guys in 2025, and it's been that way for years now. I have theories about why this happens but they are too long to get into right now.

>Yes, men prefer large breasts and that does not mean women with small breasts are unable to find partners everything else being equal.

I agree. This agrees with everything I've seen and explained above, and also the data in the article.