[selimthegrim]

I would say the extended parts of my network are still getting the interviews, but I have people I directly literally went to school with, and lived in the same dorm with turn me flat down for work, which was a real slap in the face. I’ve been applying since April 2020 (with about 7 interviews so far and 2-3 upcoming interviews total) and I’m getting kind of discouraged at this point.

[Aurornis]

> but I have people I directly literally went to school with, and lived in the same dorm with turn me flat down for work, which was a real slap in the face.

Since referrals became the meta-game, companies have adapted their referral process to be more selective. Most companies I've worked for have required people to enter some basic information about how and where you worked with the referral, why you're referring them, and a statement that your referral means you are vouching for that person's work performance.

It cuts down on the number of people referring people they know by happenstance, which defeats the purpose of a referral program. I doubt your friends meant it as a personal attack. They probably just had referral programs that were more rigorous than putting names into a queue.

[selimthegrim]

They said they hadn’t been happy with the last three months of candidates, and that I was probably going to be it and then rejected me with no feedback and hired some ex-SpaceX person as a contractor. It may have been the investor playing a role.

[cruffle_duffle]

Honestly in this market there is really only so much your network can do—at least at a “submit my resume for me” level. I’m starting to think I might get a bit more aggressive and bold with my network and have them deliver paper copies to the hiring manager or something. Because even referral submitted applications are black holes at this point.

Hang in there and take what you can get. The market is super shitty and you are absolutely not alone. It ain’t you. The market will pick back up again… it always does.

[spratzt]

The market can remain depressed for longer than you can remain solvent.

We should be encouraging people to look at alternative careers to tech. Life after tech.

We should also be making it clear to students that while there are exciting things happening in tech this is not going to translate into large scale demand for people.

Large parts of technology are mature, indeed moribund. This is not a message that the technology industry wants to hear.

[dennis_jeeves2]

>The market will pick back up again… it always does.

It will, but this time it's probably going to be several years. It's the covid lock down train wreck. Most people underestimate the cascading damage done by the lock downs.

[cruffle_duffle]

Yup. The damage caused by that nonsense will haunt us for decades to come.

“It’s what everybody wanted” is something I often say. “Everybody was cheering this on”.

[dennis_jeeves2]

>“It’s what everybody wanted” is something I often say. “Everybody was cheering this on”.

Spot on. I read that somewhere that during WWII when people were sent to the gas chambers, crowds would be cheering on. Common people terrify me.

[alphan0n]

> I read that somewhere that during WWII when people were sent to the gas chambers, crowds would be cheering on.

Citation needed. The execution of Jews by gas chamber during the holocaust was not a public event.

[dennis_jeeves2]

It's when there were being rounded up to be sent. Not during the event itself.

[selimthegrim]

If they won’t pay for traveling for on-site interview or relocation is that a good sign; when they’re demanding three days a week in the office hybrid?

[epolanski]

Maybe you didn't impress them?

Network is important as long as people see you as a reliable professional that can help them.

There's lots of skills involved, last but not least soft ones.

[selimthegrim]

Well, sure but some feedback would’ve been nice at least - it’s not like I was going to sue them.