[hhh1111]

That person would be wrong because there is objective, verifiable evidence to the contrary. There is none for the ubiquity and material impact of racism in 2025, sorry. So its more like him claiming Lyme disease or trench foot isn’t a societal problem - is he allowed to make that claim without personal experience?

[oytis]

> There is none for the ubiquity and material impact of racism in 2025

What do you mean? Many ways in which people of color are being disadvantaged (net worth, income, representation in positions of power etc.) are very measurable, in 2025 as much as in 1990.

[hhh1111]

Group outcomes certainly differ and the differences ate measurable. But the measurements don’t support your argument much.

[oytis]

Which argument? There are disadvantaged groups in the society (including by race), and several important aspects of them being disadvantaged are measurable. That's my whole argument here.

[hhh1111]

Differences in group outcomes are not logically equivalent to evidence of discrimination. For example, Asians, Jews and even Nigerian immigrants out earn whites and spend less time in jail than whites do. Is this racism against whites? No.

The extant data on racial outcome differences doesn’t point to evidence of meaningful systemic racism. The one data point to the contrary imo is Asians needing higher SAT scores than everyone else to get into college. I’m not Asian, this isn’t a self serving opinion.