[krisoft]

> He opened his jacket and he was all bruised. So that's how he did it—it hurt—but you had to care enough not to care.

I don't want performers to risk their safety, health and life for my entertainment. Obviously I cannot stop it, but I can stop watching those who engage in things like this. (And I don't just mean the stunt performer, but the director, the producers, the studio and the franchise.)

I have unsubscribed from youtube channels when I felt that they were pushing themselves in dangerous directions. It is not like that alone will stop them, but if I would keep watching I would be complicit in the harm which might befall them.

There is the principle attributed to Houdini by Penn Jillette that a performance/trick should not be more dangerous than sitting in one's living room. Especially when it appears dangerous. I don't know about the exact line though. Strictly interpreting the "not be more dangerous than sitting in one's living room" definition would disqualify any performance where the performer had to drive (or be chauffeured) to the location of their performance. And that would be a bit ridiculous.

[josefx]

> There is the principle attributed to Houdini

Houdini died from a rather trivial stunt he performed many times before. A hit to the abdomen before he could flex his muscles most likely ruptured his appendix. Keaton died of lung cancer well past the end of his fame.

You can manage the danger of stunts, you can reduce it and prepare for anything that could go wrong. You can never completely avoid it and sometimes a single error is all it takes.

[krisoft]

> You can manage the danger of stunts, you can reduce it and prepare for anything that could go wrong.

I think that is all I'm asking. Or not even that. Just saying that if they don't, i don't want to watch it.

> Houdini died from a rather trivial stunt he performed many times before.

The blows which allegedly killed Houdini were not suffered during a performance or stunt.

[gigaflop]

There's a youtube channel out there that used to be a sort of nature channel, but seems to have devolved into 'Get stung/bit by painful animal X'. I haven't watched their stuff in ages, but I'm very aware that the original channel host isn't the one getting stung anymore. I have to wonder what it was like from their perspective, watching the view counts go up and up with each successive "Hurt yourself on camera" video, and wondering what to do next.

[astura]

>There's a youtube channel out there that used to be a sort of nature channel, but seems to have devolved into 'Get stung/bit by painful animal X'. I haven't watched their stuff in ages, but I'm very aware that the original channel host isn't the one getting stung anymore.

Brave Wilderness?

[gigaflop]

Yeah, that's the one! With the guy named Coyote.

[Fricken]

I'm a rock climber. There are many people out there who take wild and unnecessary risks on a regular basis for no accolades whatsoever, out in the middle of nowhere where no one can see them, and they don't tell anybody about it aftwerwards. However, if they want to do it for my entertainment that's fine too.

[crazygringo]

> I don't want performers to risk their safety, health and life for my entertainment.

I mean, they pretty much all do to some degree. It's not healthy on your body to do eight Broadway shows a week. Or to be constantly switching between all-day and all-night shoots on a TV show. And performing a role of high emotional trauma every day for weeks or months takes its own kind of toll too.

Obviously nobody should be at risk of life or of permanent injury, that goes without saying.

But getting bruises while doing stunts, that's just what being a stuntperson is. Nobody is forced into it. And this is why there are stuntpeople in the first place -- it's not just for skills. Sometimes the regular actor could do it fine, but there's no time in the schedule for their body to recover afterwards.

[krisoft]

> Nobody is forced into it.

And i’m not forced to watch it. So all is fair.

[adamc]

Your position is similar to why I stopped watched NFL games. I get that players choose to play (for money), but at the end of the day, I am unwilling to contribute to brain damage.

[crazygringo]

I think there's a pretty big difference between long-term brain damage and bruises though.

Stuntpeople aren't getting blows to the head, generally speaking.

[krisoft]

That is not what the research shows. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9835670/

“One hundred seventy-three performers (80%) indicated at least one head impact/head whip during their stunt career. Of these, 86% exhibited concussion-like symptoms and 38% received one or more concussion diagnoses. Sixty-five percent continued working with concussion-like symptoms.”

[BiteCode_dev]

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[krisoft]

> Then you have to stop watching any competition of anything

Done. Easy.

> stop reading about start up on HN as well

I don’t think there the motivation is to create entertainment though. But i don’t care much about that kind of content either.

> forget about any extra ordinnary human achivement

I disagree with that. Plenty of extraordinary human achievements were created under circumstances I find acceptable to celebrate and watch.

[daseiner1]

Let's not scale mountains, explore the oceans, cross the poles, or go to space. Why be heroic when we can all hold hands and be safe.

"""They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loveth one's neighbour and rubbeth against him; for one needeth warmth."""

[krisoft]

> Let's not scale mountains, explore the oceans, cross the poles, or go to space. Why be heroic when we can all hold hands and be safe.

In terms of exploring the oceans my hero is Admiral Rickover and not Stockton Rush. Different kind of heroism. Not the lack of it.

[justarobert]

Yeah, because scaling a mounting or exploring the ocean is exactly the same as "punch me in the kidney bro, it'll be funny".