[verdverm]

Harris certainly baited and manipulated Trump on the national debate stage

There were/are a lot of people manipulating him on the Republican side which outweighs anything the Democrats could have done

[sumedh]

> Harris certainly baited and manipulated Trump on the national debate stage

and yet she lost, so who baited who?

[verdverm]

Harris baited Trump on the debate stage, the later outcome does not change this fact, as that was determined by other factors and around 100k voters