[snozolli]

I have all the tools I need at my disposal

Yes, we've all heard the saying that Emacs is an operating system with a text editor built in.

I for one do exactly what I want - I want the shit on my computer to work and work on my terms, not anyone else's.

That's exactly what I get out of the IDEs I've used for decades. This whole argument is so weird, disingenuous, and full of vague strawmen. Just because I don't see the value in investing the time that you have doesn't mean that I'm for giving up control or whatever you were trying frame me as.

Anyway, I'm done here. This site is full of toxic people who are offended that someone doesn't choose the same editor and habits that they do, and any dissent is to be punished.

[iLemming]

I don't think I've made any arguments at all, and definitely haven't said anything disingenuous. I'm not trying to sell you dogmas, and I'm not telling you how to live your life. I have only attempted to share a glimpse of the world you clearly have little understanding of - the assumption that I (not unreasonably) made based on your own words.

Perhaps my usage of pronouns in the last paragraph was confusing; I apologize for that. Since we're talking on a public forum, the "you" wasn't aimed specifically at your persona; I meant it in a generic sense, talking about a "proverbial" programmer.

> This site is full of toxic people who are offended that someone doesn't choose the same editor

I don't know where you're getting this kind of vibe from; my comments are free of toxicity. I think this particular website and the world in general is full of all sorts of people. And if you genuinely try to find helpful and beneficial thoughts and inspiration, you may find some - even within the words of criticism and discouragement. Conversely, someone who sees toxicity whenever they don't get conformance with their views may reap only bitterness and dissatisfaction.

Perhaps you should reflect on the source of your anger; just don't waste energy searching for it in my statements - after all, I merely showed you possibilities. I never forced you toward them - the choice to step through or turn away remains entirely in your hands.

[lispm]

> That's exactly what I get out of the IDEs I've used for decades. This whole argument is so weird, disingenuous, and full of vague strawmen. Just because I don't see the value in investing the time that you have doesn't mean that I'm for giving up control or whatever you were trying frame me as.

I used IDEs also all the time. Makes sense to me.

> Anyway, I'm done here. This site is full of toxic people who are offended that someone doesn't choose the same editor and habits that they do, and any dissent is to be punished.

Yeah, that's weird. You can use all kinds of editors you like. In the case of Lisp, there are arguments that good support for editing Lisp and for interaction with a Lisp runtime is useful (since Lisp is often used interactively). But several IDEs and editors can do that.

Just wanted to give you the impression that are others, who like IDEs and similar tools. ;-)