[swatcoder]

Libraries obey copyright, loaning out books for which they've acquired some right to lend to members. When I borrow a library book and read it that way, everything that happens is respecting the rights of the copyright's owner.

That has nothing to do with how LLM's were trained. They were trained on countless works for which Meta, etc had acquired no legitimate right for use at all.

[93po]

i dont know of a law that says you have to purchase a book to be legally allowed to read it

[triceratops]

The legal owner of the book has to allow you to read it. And the legal owner can't make additional copies to allow you to read it.

[93po]

If I find a book on a park bench and read it, am I breaking the law in terms of intellectual property?

[triceratops]

If they're training LLMs on books found on park benches, we don't have a problem. That's obviously not what we're talking about though.

[93po]

My point is "the legal owner of the book has to allow you to read it" is not true

I will accept the argument they got the source material in a way where someone broke American law. I really do not think they've broken any laws whatsoever in terms of using it for LLM training

[triceratops]

> they got the source material in a way where someone broke American law

Isn't inducing or offering someone incentives to break laws illegal by itself? I'll admit that isn't specifically an IP law violation, but it can't possibly be kosher.

For example if a buyer of goods can reasonably be expected to know the goods were stolen, they can also be charged. Isn't this the same thing?