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by gaganyaan 521 days ago
The statement is a motte and bailey. "Trans women are women" meaning "this person wants to wear a dress so you should accept their social identity" is the motte. "Trans women are women" meaning "this person with the advantage of male puberty must be allowed to punch women in the face in boxing or else you're transphobic" is the bailey.

Your analogy fails because there aren't biological differences between people of different faiths. There are real biological differences between males and females, now detectable to the earliest life stages. Surgery and hormones won't change that, so we should drop the "Trans women are women" rhetoric, because the statement is false. It also enables bad behavior like trying to force lesbians to like dick, lest they be called transphobic.

It would be much more productive to come up with a new pithy statement meaning "be nice to people even if you think they're weird".

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> The statement is a motte and bailey.

Note that these are both social issues, not biological issues, and it's possible to have different opinions about the two. There's certainly no biological imperative to have separate sports for men and women; that's simply a social convention. If we look only at men, those who are taller typically have a huge athletic advantage over those who are shorter. Why don't we have separate pro basketball leagues for tall guys and short guys? Even the "shorter" NBA players, usually guards, are almost always taller than the average male. As a shorter than average male myself, I'm dwarfed not only by NBA players but also by WNBA players. Where do I get my fair shot? ;-)

> Your analogy fails because there aren't biological differences between people of different faiths.

As I already said in my previous comment, this is a social issue, not a biological issue. I also elaborated on this in another comment in this same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42674247

> It also enables bad behavior like trying to force lesbians to like dick, lest they be called transphobic.

I have no idea what you're talking about or where you're getting this stuff.