[wruza]

This test/src separation always felt like html/css to me. When still using C, I wrote tests right after a function as a static function with “test_” in the name. And one big run-all-tests function at the end. All you have to do then is to include a c file and call this function. Why would I ever want to separate a test from its subject is a puzzling thought. Would be nice to have “testing {}” sections in other languages too, but in C you can get away with DCE, worst case #ifdef TESTING.

[bjourne]

Because tests also serve as api validations. If you can't write a test for functionality without fiddling with internal details the api is probably flawed. Separation forces access via the api.

[wruza]

I don’t need anything to be “forced” on me, especially when this forcing is nominal and I can #include implementation details. You may need that in teams with absurdly inattentive or stubborn members, but for you-personally it’s enough to get the principle and decide when to follow it. The idea is to simply keep tests close to the definitions because that’s where the breaking changes happen.

If you can't write a test for functionality without fiddling with internal details the api is probably flawed

This logic is flawed. If you have an isolated implementation for some procedure that your api invokes in multiple places (or simply abstracted it out for clarity and SoC), it’s perfectly reasonable to test it separately even if it isn’t officially public.