[ako]

I’m a pm, today I built a working mockup with windsurf (golang + wails + vuejs +duckd). Windsurf uses codeium, branded as the first agentic IDE.

Your requirements will improve, not sure if in the long I still need developers to build the actual software.

The development process with windsurf is a bit like throwing a dice, hoping for a 6. A lot of trial and error, but if you check the git log, you see about 15 minutes between commit per feature request. Windsurf does a good job to summarize the entire feature request chat into a short git commit message. Every git commit reads like a user story.

[jondwillis]

How… do I find PMs like you? Literally have never worked with a single one that bothered to understand the technology they are building on top of at a deep enough level.

Maybe I just need to teach the ones I work with that it is now possible to trivially prototype many ideas without much or any coding skill.

[th0ma5]

Most PMs resist this because then they know the understanding of the requirements falls upon them at that point and this has been traditionally the role of architects, analysts, developers, other stakeholders etc and if you replace them with an LLM, well, it doesn't have the ability to be a true stakeholder in this way.

[tommy_axle]

As a PM if you're gathering requirements and building too have a look at genatron.ai

[ako]

There’s just words on the webpage of genatron. Not a single screenshot or video, no example output, no customer statements. Even the technical details are very thin. Doesn’t give me a good impression of what they’re trying to sell.