[bayindirh]

Errm, history is full of bad leaders who were elected by people and by democratic means. I won’t start a list here, but their effects on our world is pretty profound.

So, being elected is by no means an indicator of any sort.

[nailer]

Nobody in this thread is stating that Trump is either good or bad, that is a straw man you have created to argue with.

Being elected is obviously an indicator of the will of the people. The platform that leader was elected on includes items that went against the left leaning of third-party so-called fact checking services. This is easily variable by looking at the platform of the winning party and the policies of the so-called fact checkers.

[bayindirh]

> Nobody in this thread is stating that Trump is either good or bad

That's true, incl. me.

> that is a straw man you have created to argue with.

Did I said or implied Trump is bad? No. What I said is, being elected is not an indicator of goodness of badness of a leader, and said that there's a large list, without giving any names, because goodness and badness is subjective.

> Being elected is obviously an indicator of the will of the people.

Yes. That part is true, too. People wanted that particular flavor this time, and will decide whether they liked the experience or not.

> The platform that leader was elected on includes items that went against the left leaning of third-party so-called fact checking services.

"So-called" from your perspective, so from that point on your opinions are biased, and there's no point on arguing any further.

Of course you're free to vote for whoever you want, and AFAICS, the person you support has won. Congrats. My only hope is what you get in the end won't be more than what you bargained for.

BTW, on that "getting men out of women's sports" thing, watch this video [0]. In the end, performance is enhanced so much, the gap between genders are closed nevertheless. On the other hand, gender in Olympic games are determined with genetic testing anyway, so your looks doesn't have any effect on whom you compete with.

Maybe we should prevent this in the future, so humans can compete with their true potential, not with "monstrous performances" enabled by designer drugs and doping. So there's a whole forest running when people are looking to the wrong tree.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2op5XG7LGkI

[nailer]

> Did I said or implied Trump is bad

Yes, you wrote history is full of bad leaders. Nobody is discussing whether Trump is good or bad.

[bayindirh]

> Nobody is discussing whether Trump is good or bad.

Exactly. I said "we'll see", not "Trump is bad".

[nailer]

Precisely, you wrote you will see whether Trump is bad:

> Errm, history is full of bad leaders who were elected by people and by democratic means.

You then wrote that being elected is by no means and indicator. It is not an indication of being good or bad, but rather an indication of the will of people. Which in this case, for the fifth time is that men should be out of women’s spaces.

I don’t think this conversation is working. We have very different ways of engaging in debate.

[bayindirh]

> You then wrote that being elected is by no means and indicator.

Yes.

> It is not an indication of being good or bad, but rather an indication of the will of people.

I did tell "elected by people and by democratic means", which squarely means "this was the will of the people", so we have no disagreements on that front.

> Which in this case, for the fifth time is that men should be out of women’s spaces.

?

> I don’t think this conversation is working.

That's absolutely correct.

> We have very different ways of engaging in debate.

Yes. I won't argue about that further.

Have a good day.