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by zzzeek 523 days ago
> ORMs are just a terrible idea - conceptually messy, hard to debug and optimise, full of needless complexity.

and that's why ORMs are so unpopular and entirely absent from successful production applications for the past 30 years
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fauigerzigerk 523 days ago
All ideas that were popular for a while are basically guaranteed to be in some successful applications. That includes bad ideas.
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rqtwteye 523 days ago
Are you sure about this?
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taco_emoji 523 days ago
yeah I mean, isn't all of this true for ANY abstraction? Once you're off the beaten path, they're all hard to debug and optimize, they introduce extra complexity, etc. BECAUSE they are attempting to abstract away certain details

This is true for an HTTP library as much as it is an ORM.

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fauigerzigerk 523 days ago
>yeah I mean, isn't all of this true for ANY abstraction?

No, it is only true for bad abstractions.

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