[MarcScott]

I recently supervised a Hackclub Counterspell event at our office. I was there only in the capacity of being an adult in the room, for health and safety and safeguarding reasons.

The entire event had been organised by a single teenager, with mini workshops, hack time and a global show and tell.

Kids that attended were not only coders, but musicians and artists as well.

The whole event was amazing, with more pizza than I thought it possible to eat.

The kids produced some genuinely interesting games, learned some new skills, and had a great time socially.

I fully intend to support more events in the future.

[hmcq6]

> Kids that attended were not only coders, but musicians and artists as well.

Creatives are Creatives. Don't reduce yourself as a programmer purely to a scientist. There is an art in what we do.

Edit: if you disagree then tell me why I have a religiously strong opinion on spaces vs tabs

[master-lincoln]

> Edit: if you disagree then tell me why I have a religiously strong opinion on spaces vs tabs

Because you did not think this through logically I assume. There is only one answer: indent using tabs, align using spaces. This way the text never looks "broken" on any other machine, and personal preference for how deep indentations should be can be applied.

I think people mostly form strong religious opinions because they want to belong to a group or feel a sense of purpose. Do you feel that when defending your stance on tabs vs spaces?

But I fail to see how this is related to programmers being creatives

[inthebin]

Personally I don't think there is such a thing as "creatives". All humans are creative - that's what we do, we solve problems by coming up with solutions. Whether that is to create a painting, or coming up with a joke/punchline or writing a novel, or creating a product with code - that's a matter of aptitude/interest and environmental exposure.

[gspencley]

While I sort of agree with you, I'm a software engineer with a background and hobbies in the arts. My wife and I are part time performing magicians, and I used to play various instruments in rock bands, I produced an indie album a few years ago etc. I'm saying this because I hang around people who are hyper-creative.

I compare those hyper-creative people to other people that I know and I work with and it becomes very apparent that what we tend to think of as "creativity" is not something that even the majority of people possess.

I definitely agree that everyone is "creative" to an extent within their respective interests and productive pursuits. But I think we might be conflating creativity with productivity. Everyone produces, or at least is capable of producing things. But what we tend to think of as "creativity" involves abstract thinking and piecing together things that are non-obvious.

In that sense, hackers and engineers do tend to often exhibit this form of creativity. I mean using something in a way that it was not original intended is an example of that "outside of the box" abstract thinking.

But my point, as anectodal as it is, in my 40+ years on this planet I've encountered far more people who are incapable of abstract thinking and coming up with novel ways to combine things than I have people who do possess this ability.

Now it might be a muscle, it might boil down to interests and personal ambitions. But, and I think you'd even agree with this, that's a hypothesis. I don't personally see evidence in support of that. The people who can't think abstractly are even some really decent programmers that I've met. They can produce shippable code and solve problems, but they can't think in terms of design patterns and abstractions... they need concrete examples for everything. The second you start to abstract a solution and talk in terms of generics you lose them. And I'm not putting them down, they're still great people to have on your team. Great work ethic and love what they do. They just can't think abstractly and are therefore not "creative" in the way that I interpret that word.

[hmcq6]

No, the answer is that I should never have to think about whether a coworker uses spaces vs tabs. That's a sign that either your text editor/IDE is misconfigured or that your project needs a tool like Prettier.

Also it was a joke. I just thought using the concept of religion might make people consider the spiritual side of a profession that is otherwise mechanical. But no worries. Jokes are always funniest when you're forced to explain them, right?

[taylorius]

I agree - programming is it's own medium for creation - not just a tool to produce other media.

[mharig]

There is art in science, too.

[master-lincoln]

It's a word without an agreed upon definition that keeps changing. One could probably argue there is art in everything humans do

[wjnc]

Then 'art' is soul!

[phyzix5761]

Define soul please

[doublerabbit]

Dedication to a creation of some sort.

[odshoifsdhfs]

I will dive into the webpage a bit better later on, but at a glance I don't seem to be able to find how to 'help' as an adult. Would love to either organize or help something in my town.

I could only find a slack channel to join but no other public info. Was this how you got in touch with them? Or did I miss something?

[AdamEXu]

it's only organized by teenagers who are a part of hack club :) hack clubbers will then reach out to adults in their city for help organizing the event, but most of the work is done by the teenager.

[odshoifsdhfs]

Thanks for the reply. No hack clubs in my area so seems it is a no-go for now.