[devrob]

I think there's a lot of nuance here. I teach DJing (house/techno mostly) and there's never been more interest in electronic music & DJing. Folks who thought I was a bit out there in high school for liking electronic & dance music, have recently all now become more interested in DJing and raving. The DJ today is continuing to grow into the modern rock-star (albeit, in terms of real $ of music money, it's no where close).

Moreover, as several commenters have pointed out there has been a big growth in festivals and awareness. Lots of people talk to me about "house music" now, whereas before it was a relatively "underground" thing.

Now, I think there's a question about whether the scale of such events have maintained the same cultural ethos as the early rave days, and that, though I'm not old enough to have participated, is likely a categorical no. There's a greater focus on 'documenting' experiences at these events rather than living it. Here's a clip of an rising group called Kienemusik [tik tok link](https://www.tiktok.com/@as.anca/video/7359750430345186593?q=...), where you can see there's more video taping than dancing. I would venture to say, we are so filled with wonder sometimes that we forget that part of experiencing awe is letting go of ego and just experiencing.

[bonestamp2]

I know what you mean, and I wish I kept at it. I DJ'd a couple raves back then but it was something that any of my friends were into so I naturally fell out of it even though I loved it so much. I later got back into it briefly and made a few house and trance tracks when computer DAWs became popular.

There was a sense of freedom and optimism on the dance floor that I've never found anywhere else. I made songs like the songs that I most liked to dance to. Most of it came from Europe back then, but I wish I followed my heart, or at least spent half my time following my heart.

I feel bad for the kids in the video. In my day, and maybe yours, it would have been very unusual to see a cellphone in the club or at a rave. My kids schools don't allow screens and they go away for a couple weeks each summer to a camp that doesn't allow screens. They tell me that they really enjoy it after a couple of days, and I think it gives them a chance to feel the way we did as kids... back then there wasn't a movement of people trying to live more in the moment because everybody lived in the moment all the time.

[devrob]

The freedom and optimism is always rooted to the communal and ritual release in dance, the freedom to be as you are, or dance as you are. This gets harder and harder when there is fear of "documentation', if one can't "dance right" or "doesn't fit in".

Don't beat yourself up too hard though, you can always pickup a DJ controller and start again :)

And too: the scene has radically shifted, so being a promoter is a large part of the work. It's kind of like eSports in a way.

[vips7L]

Phoneless events are out there. This Never Happened bans phones from every event. I just went to Proper NYE which wasn’t a TNH event but had Lane 8 (label owner) on main stage and there was significantly less phones than other artists.

[devrob]

Indeed, I've written about this a little bit [1], they are growing in popularity due to a number of factors, one of which being, living in the moment. DVS1 has spoken with great eloquence on this subject as well [2]. These policies are the norm in Berlin places like Tresor. The industry culture has been really saturated by social media, live sets and destination sets [3], so many events are differentiating themselves by taking an different approach. It was a cool strategy when it started with Be At TV (RIP), (old) Boiler Room & (maybe) BBC R1 but it's lost its novelty at times I feel.

[1] https://www.instagram.com/p/DDkjBJhP1Sh/?utm_source=ig_web_c... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISoPHerYsn4&t=1181s [3] Think Cerce, Boilerroom

[Kiboneu]

The party ends. Dancers look at each other and feel a connection, exhausted or refreshed. Why is there a connection between people on the dance floor?

Detroit, Berlin were spaces in which electronic music accelerated, reflecting an intent to go further into the future or outwards into space, including cyberspace, to escape the banality of the immediate environment outside the dance floor. A language develops to collectively approach a future previously experienced as private fantasy.

The DJ changes discs to keep the party going, deeply listening to the dancers' body movements as much as the music, dissolving, modulating the energy of the music in cybernetic flow. That's the mix. Waves of intensity, vastness, then resting down on the ground collectively staring at the sky, or recordings of Space Night projected on the ceiling... at this point, are we still strangers when we actually experience awe of an optimistic future?

The DJ can't foster this kind of environment when the ego is in the way, can't be a "rock star" or flashy. The DJ has to listen to make a humanistic virtual space that overrides the algorithmic dopamine-driven virtual space stored in everyone's pocket. It's possible. You have to want it for yourself. Otherwise... we drown in facades and cellphone pictures.

[devrob]

Oof - beautiful writing.

That sounds like it was out of Last Night A DJ Saved My Life [1]!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Night_a_DJ_Saved_My_Life_...

[Kiboneu]

Thanks for the book, I'll check it out. In that vein I really enjoyed Rhythm Science by DJ Spooky. Hope you enjoy it too.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262632874/rhythm-science/

https://www.criticalimprov.com/index.php/csieci/article/view...

https://www.artbrain.org/journal-of-neuroaesthetics/journal-...